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      09-01-2019, 08:40 AM   #1
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https://capitol.texas.gov/BillLookup...86R&Bill=HB302.

Being pro-2A even I was taken aback by this one which goes into force today (9/1/19).
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They way I'm interpreting this Bill is that it "Prohibits" a landlord or property owner from "Prohibiting" someone to carry a firearm and store ammunition.
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They way I'm interpreting this Bill is that it "Prohibits" a landlord or property owner from "Prohibiting" someone to carry a firearm and store ammunition.
That's the way I read it to, although it seems to be a bit wordy even for lawyers.
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They way I'm interpreting this Bill is that it "Prohibits" a landlord or property owner from "Prohibiting" someone to carry a firearm and store ammunition.
I am interpreting same.
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They way I'm interpreting this Bill is that it "Prohibits" a landlord or property owner from "Prohibiting" someone to carry a firearm and store ammunition.
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They way I'm interpreting this Bill is that it "Prohibits" a landlord or property owner from "Prohibiting" someone to carry a firearm and store ammunition.
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They way I'm interpreting this Bill is that it "Prohibits" a landlord or property owner from "Prohibiting" someone to carry a firearm and store ammunition.
I am interpreting same.

Yes. So I can prohibit people from carrying firearms, or whatever I choose, onto my property, but if I rent out a garage apartment then I must allow the tenant to carry a firearm.

That's nuts.
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Yes. So I can prohibit people from carrying firearms, or whatever I choose, onto my property, but if I rent out a garage apartment then I must allow the tenant to carry a firearm.

That's nuts.
I don't know about that given the second amendment. Here in Canada a tenants home is his castle to a pretty strong extent. You can impose rules like no pets and don't grow marijuana when you sign a lease but once they move in good luck enforcing it. Really, can you imagine having someone tell you that you can't rent a house or apartment from them if you own guns and plan to keep them in what is essentially your home?
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Private property rights. Interesting topic as im three weeks away from hitting a tax lein sale.
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I am a Texas license to carry instructor as well as a Private Security firearms and classroom instructor and Texas Commission on Law Enforcement instructor.

Prior to today a landlord could enforce lease restrictions on firearms possession in rental and lease property. It was never a criminal offense, even if possessed in violation of a lease. Now a lease or rental agreement cannot prohibit the possession of a firearm, and no one can be evicted for that reason.

Texas is catching up
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I don't know about that given the second amendment. Here in Canada a tenants home is his castle to a pretty strong extent. You can impose rules like no pets and don't grow marijuana when you sign a lease but once they move in good luck enforcing it. Really, can you imagine having someone tell you that you can't rent a house or apartment from them if you own guns and plan to keep them in what is essentially your home?
If my rental agreements are broken i follow the tenancy branch rules.

Non payment if rent involves written notice the day after non payment. After ten days i enter the property and start dumping whats left of the garbage they left behind.

I always ask if they require a pet deposit. Bc law states that pet damage deposit can be up to 2x the monthly rental rate. That must be paid on top of the regular damage deposit and rent.

Most renters with pets walk away at that point thankfully. In my agreements im adamant that monthly inspections are to be expected in order to deter grow ops n stuff.

Lastly in canada you dont own shit.

“Canadian property law. ... Unlike many other first world countries, the right to own property is not included in Canada's bill of rights, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Personal property laws are typically governed by provincial legislation such as the provincial Sale of Goods Acts.”

The federal government sits above provincial.

Anybody recall the fight that one guy had over a canadian military base? He had a deed signed by the king of england that said the land belonged to his family forever. He was forced to give in.

Freedom in canada is somewhat an illusion.
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Blue state in max 2 election cycles and it’ll never turn back

Voter demographics are changing, and politics are downwind from culture
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My understanding is the law is to prevent renter from banning guns on property they rent out. Which makes sense, if let say a renter ban people from having computers or wifi inside their home everyone would say the renter is overstepping his authority as general understanding is the space your renting is your own.
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Blue state in max 2 election cycles and it’ll never turn back

Voter demographics are changing, and politics are downwind from culture
Well I think your logic is a tad flaw
Hispanic naturally are more conservative and hispanic population that have been in the country for 20-30 years typically trend to the republican party. Furthermore conservative family have a higher rate of offsprings. So I highly doubt the democrats are going to obtaine a one party system that they so dream about anytime soon.
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If my rental agreements are broken i follow the tenancy branch rules.

Non payment if rent involves written notice the day after non payment. After ten days i enter the property and start dumping whats left of the garbage they left behind.

I always ask if they require a pet deposit. Bc law states that pet damage deposit can be up to 2x the monthly rental rate. That must be paid on top of the regular damage deposit and rent.

Most renters with pets walk away at that point thankfully. In my agreements im adamant that monthly inspections are to be expected in order to deter grow ops n stuff.

Lastly in canada you dont own shit.

“Canadian property law. ... Unlike many other first world countries, the right to own property is not included in Canada's bill of rights, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Personal property laws are typically governed by provincial legislation such as the provincial Sale of Goods Acts.”

The federal government sits above provincial.

Anybody recall the fight that one guy had over a canadian military base? He had a deed signed by the king of england that said the land belonged to his family forever. He was forced to give in.

Freedom in canada is somewhat an illusion.
Ontario is worse, I have a tenant that owes me 3 months rent and is chronically late, if I want to evict him he will stop paying and it will likely take me 3-6 more months to get the landlord and tenant board to boot his ass. I'm biting my tongue as he's been paying rent for the past few months with the promise of catching up.....fat chance but I think what I'll eventually do is sell the house and then take him to small claims court for what he owes me.
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I once rented an apartment with a 'no guns' policy. I laughed, signed the lease and kept my guns in the apartment anyway. They may as well have had a clause that read "tenant shall only bathe on odd numbered calendar days using a loofa with only the left hand..."

If you say so... anything for a dear friend.
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We have a pretty simple approach to protecting ourselves. WE don't gouge on rent so was have our pick of tenants. We almost always have three to four to pick from. We allow pets as well which actually helps improve our prospective tenant pool because so many landlords don't. Again, we're reasonable with the pet deposit (50% of a month's rent).
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We have a pretty simple approach to protecting ourselves. WE don't gouge on rent so was have our pick of tenants. We almost always have three to four to pick from. We allow pets as well which actually helps improve our prospective tenant pool because so many landlords don't. Again, we're reasonable with the pet deposit (50% of a month's rent).
Great point. Lower rent makes for gracious tenants.
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I am a Texas license to carry instructor as well as a Private Security firearms and classroom instructor and Texas Commission on Law Enforcement instructor.

Prior to today a landlord could enforce lease restrictions on firearms possession in rental and lease property. It was never a criminal offense, even if possessed in violation of a lease. Now a lease or rental agreement cannot prohibit the possession of a firearm, and no one can be evicted for that reason.

Texas is catching up
Catching up? Seems like it's regressing. The latest example of the state telling you what you can't do with your property.
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We have a pretty simple approach to protecting ourselves. WE don't gouge on rent so was have our pick of tenants. We almost always have three to four to pick from. We allow pets as well which actually helps improve our prospective tenant pool because so many landlords don't. Again, we're reasonable with the pet deposit (50% of a month's rent).
A dog is better at protecting your property than a gun. An ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure.
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A dog is better at protecting your property than a gun. An ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure.
Landmines are even more effective : )
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A dog is better at protecting your property than a gun. An ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure.
You can have both, right? Maybe a door lock too, and if you're really out there, a camera system!
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Catching up? Seems like it's regressing. The latest example of the state telling you what you can't do with your property.
No, the "right" to keep arms is listed in the bill of rights, not your desire to try to control what I do.
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Landmines are even more effective : )
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Landmines are even more effective : )
Im of the mind that a few trained fighting dogs and an armed escort of pissed off john wicks to manage them would do a fine job of keeping thieves, flakka heads, antifa and paid clinton assassins off of my property. Lol
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