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      09-14-2019, 10:38 PM   #45
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American hegemony has its price does it not?

Seriously, we've been at war for almost 20 yrs.
I believe the more accurate statement is the USA has only been in a state of peace for less then 20 years during it whole existence. Heck last time we where in total 'peace' was 1938 and the world drag us back in kicking and screaming.
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American hegemony has its price does it not?

Seriously, we've been at war for almost 20 yrs.
Please demonstrate, going back to the initial troubles in this region, how "we" own this.

We have been at war since the "end" of WW2. Peace is anomalistic in this day and age. Whether hot, cold, or through proxies we are always at war. This is the nature of being an overall force for good standing against the Murdering Dictators of the world.

The plus under Mr. Trump is that we haven't started any more shooting wars unlike the Obama War Machine with Mrs. We-Came-We-Saw-He-Died at the helm of state.
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American hegemony has its price does it not?

Seriously, we've been at war for almost 20 yrs.
Please demonstrate, going back to the initial troubles in this region, how "we" own this.

We have been at war since the "end" of WW2. Peace is anomalistic in this day and age. Whether hot, cold, or through proxies we are always at war. This is the nature of being an overall force for good standing against the Murdering Dictators of the world.

The plus under Mr. Trump is that we haven't started any more shooting wars unlike the Obama War Machine with Mrs. We-Came-We-Saw-He-Died at the helm of state.
No 1: Coup of Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh and installation of The Shah in 1953. That action let to the Iranian Revolution in the late 70's and set the stage for US/Iranian relations since then.

No 2: Explicit support of Saddam Hussein during the Iran/Iraq war.

No 3: Failure of Brenton Woods led to an agreement between Saudis and US in the 70's to only trade oil in US dollars. Aka, the petrodollar was borne and became an economic weapon to impose sanctions.

No 4: US support of rebels in Afghanistan who were fighting the Soviets.

No 5: Post Gulf War I agreement with the Saudis and smaller kingdoms in the Gulf to expand US military presence in their countries.

No 6: Somalia in early 90's.

No 7: Due to No 3 the support of the Saudis in spite of their radical flavor of Islam (Wahhabism). Saudi financed Madrassas in Pakistan. Some members of Taliban and al-Queada allegedly attended these schools.

The list goes on.
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No 1: Coup of Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh and installation of The Shah in 1953. That action let to the Iranian Revolution in the late 70's and set the stage for US/Iranian relations since then.

No 2: Explicit support of Saddam Hussein during the Iran/Iraq war.

No 3: Failure of Brenton Woods led to an agreement between Saudis and US in the 70's to only trade oil in US dollars. Aka, the petrodollar was borne and became an economic weapon to impose sanctions.

No 4: US support of rebels in Afghanistan who were fighting the Soviets.

No 5: Post Gulf War I agreement with the Saudis and smaller kingdoms in the Gulf to expand US military presence in their countries.

No 6: Somalia in early 90's.

No 7: Due to No 3 the support of the Saudis in spite of their radical flavor of Islam (Wahhabism). Saudi financed Madrassas in Pakistan. Some members of Taliban and al-Queada allegedly attended these schools.

The list goes on.
History didn't start in 1953. Try again.

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https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...ddle_east.html
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No 1: Coup of Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh and installation of The Shah in 1953. That action let to the Iranian Revolution in the late 70's and set the stage for US/Iranian relations since then.

No 2: Explicit support of Saddam Hussein during the Iran/Iraq war.

No 3: Failure of Brenton Woods led to an agreement between Saudis and US in the 70's to only trade oil in US dollars. Aka, the petrodollar was borne and became an economic weapon to impose sanctions.

No 4: US support of rebels in Afghanistan who were fighting the Soviets.

No 5: Post Gulf War I agreement with the Saudis and smaller kingdoms in the Gulf to expand US military presence in their countries.

No 6: Somalia in early 90's.

No 7: Due to No 3 the support of the Saudis in spite of their radical flavor of Islam (Wahhabism). Saudi financed Madrassas in Pakistan. Some members of Taliban and al-Queada allegedly attended these schools.

The list goes on.
History didn't start in 1953. Try again.

It's like pulling wings off a fly. I will help you out.

https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...ddle_east.html
I agree with your statement, but sure not that website.

They have an article titled "the Democrats are trying to destroy Christianity". Move along, no bias to see here.
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I agree with your statement, but sure not that website.

They have an article titled "the Democrats are trying to destroy Christianity". Move along, no bias to see here.
The information about the subject matter is correct.
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Kinda stayed away from this thread until now. Just wasn't in the mood to hear the asshole comments and dumbass conspiracy theories.

Last year I gave a longer explanation of where I was on 9/11/01, but the short version is I was in Manhattan that day. The first plane flew right over me... I thought someone was shooting a movie. I watched the second plane hit, and the second building fall live in person... That shit wasn't on TV for me. I later learned my girlfriend was killed in the attack. It was really just horrible luck, as she wasn't normally at the WTC.

Not sure why but this year the memories stung more.
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Kinda stayed away from this thread until now. Just wasn't in the mood to hear the asshole comments and dumbass conspiracy theories.

Last year I gave a longer explanation of where I was on 9/11/01, but the short version is I was in Manhattan that day. The first plane flew right over me... I thought someone was shooting a movie. I watched the second plane hit, and the second building fall live in person... That shit wasn't on TV for me. I later learned my girlfriend was killed in the attack. It was really just horrible luck, as she wasn't normally at the WTC.

Not sure why but this year the memories stung more.
I'm so very sorry
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I wasnt near the ground zero but I had to work near by.
The company I was working for, USIS ran network lines, phone lines and set up data centers. You needed 2 proof of IDs to enter any building near ground zero. There were drills to evacuate, alarms going off, soldiers in subways and at patrolling streets.

For 2 months straight I worked long hours. All i could think of was what was going thru the minds that were in those buildings...those that were in planes...all the recordings that were played on news. those that received bad news, who would think going to work something like this would happen??

I was hoping that Twin Towers would be rebuilt...instead of single tower.

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Kinda stayed away from this thread until now. Just wasn't in the mood to hear the asshole comments and dumbass conspiracy theories.

Last year I gave a longer explanation of where I was on 9/11/01, but the short version is I was in Manhattan that day. The first plane flew right over me... I thought someone was shooting a movie. I watched the second plane hit, and the second building fall live in person... That shit wasn't on TV for me. I later learned my girlfriend was killed in the attack. It was really just horrible luck, as she wasn't normally at the WTC.

Not sure why but this year the memories stung more.
Thanks for sharing, Glenn. I'm terribly sorry for you loss and appreciate you sharing your painful memories.
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