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      07-31-2018, 03:20 PM   #23
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Missed opportunity, I think.
Missed opportunity is correct.

They should have their own fixed roof Z4 with a M version.

BMW is missing out, strike Porsche while they struggling selling 4-banger Caymans.
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Very disappointing, if true. Was hoping to eventually supplement my Z4 M Coupe with a new one. Love these cars.
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That guy sounds like a cock blocker party poopers ..

Either that or he has no spine standing up to the loisy been counters....

An MZ4 Manual would sell by the dozen ....
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Meaningless news. They've said exactly this before the E36/7/8 the E85/E86 and the E89. So even if they really don't make a new one, they're still lying half of the time. And maybe 75% of the time.
my first thought as well... which versions of their roadsters did they actually announce from the beginning would have a high performance M version

I would even open that up from Z3 and Z4 to include the Z8 as well (which eventually came in Alpina form rather than an M version)

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      07-31-2018, 04:01 PM   #27
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Missed opportunity is correct.

They should have their own fixed roof Z4 with a M version.

BMW is missing out, strike Porsche while they struggling selling 4-banger Caymans.

I am beginning to think they aren't smart enough to think that far ahead.. Seriously..

this is the same company that hasn't brought a 2 series sedan to North America.. while Mercedes brings in CLA.. and wipes the floor with BMW on the way to snatching the luxury sales category... and Mercedes won't be letting that sales crown go for awhile because now they are bringing in an A class also..

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimhenr.../#41d9edc74aa7


"Judging by its CLA experience, the Mercedes-Benz A-Class could be on the right track in terms of conquering other entry-level luxury models. Around 60% of CLA buyers came from another brand, and most of those came from non-luxury brands, the company said. "

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I’ll keep my eyes on that one for sure. No badge snobbery.

What a missed opportunity by BMW... their only chance at a sports car.
That's BMW reality in the 2010s... they only build GT cars..

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Good way to keep the hype down low. Very conservative prediction until board green lights it
Just like the M2....
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      07-31-2018, 04:41 PM   #29
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WHY AM I NOT SURPRISED.

We can throw an M badge on a gigantic X5 (I have no qualms with the X5M before you guys crucify me), BUT WE CANT HAVE A M Z4???

K.

I guess I'll just keep living in 2006.

Im also well aware that a Z4 M(whatever number) is gonna be great, but it'd be nice to have a proper M Z4 again.
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Bmw feels it needs to make different versions of the 7 series even though no one buys them. They also feel the need to offer a variety of options for the x1, x2, x3, x4, x5, x6 and x7 including m versions of vehicles with the curb weight of my house. Then the m division isn't allowed to work with the only 2 seater in the range??! Come on bmw. Stop being lame. I really can't get into new BMW's.
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I'm sorry but this is bullsheet. They're ok with an imposter M performance model but no M car?
Looks like BMW's decision making management team has got some poser M badge ppl
Slapping an M badge is everything, why waste resources on full M car
After all they need that saved money on blasting balloons using laser mounted M2
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I'm sorry but this is bullsheet. They're ok with an imposter M performance model but no M car?
Looks like BMW's decision making management team has got some poser M badge ppl
Slapping an M badge is everything, why waste resources on full M car
After all they need that saved money on blasting balloons using laser mounted M2
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Missed opportunity is correct.

They should have their own fixed roof Z4 with a M version.

BMW is missing out, strike Porsche while they struggling selling 4-banger Caymans.
Maybe you should take a look at the actual sales figures. Cayman sales are terrible, there is no big opportunity for sports car sales. Unfortunately all of the sales growth is in SUV's and sales of coupes and sedans are tanking. We are fortunate to have the options we have today. Porsche is considering killing the Cayman, the only thing that will save it is commonality with the new 911. I follow the data and it isn't pretty so we need go get the cars we love while we can.
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I'm sorry but this is bullsheet. They're ok with an imposter M performance model but no M car?
Looks like BMW's decision making management team has got some poser M badge ppl
Slapping an M badge is everything, why waste resources on full M car
After all they need that saved money on blasting balloons using laser mounted M2
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Missed opportunity is correct.

They should have their own fixed roof Z4 with a M version.

BMW is missing out, strike Porsche while they struggling selling 4-banger Caymans.
Maybe you should take a look at the actual sales figures. Cayman sales are terrible, there is no big opportunity for sports car sales. Unfortunately all of the sales growth is in SUV's and sales of coupes and sedans are tanking. We are fortunate to have the options we have today. Porsche is considering killing the Cayman, the only thing that will save it is commonality with the new 911. I follow the data and it isn't pretty so we need go get the cars we love while we can.
This, as much as I prefer the levity of the prior post, hit the coffin nail on the head. I agree, if you like real sports cars or even sports coupes/sedans buy them while you still can. The future has far fewer choices. Demographics, aging boomers...kids who have no desire or care to learn to drive, safety regulations, it's death by a thousand cuts.

So yes, buy while you can or hold on to what you've got.
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Not worth the 5 sales worldwide is how I read it
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Missed opportunity is correct.

They should have their own fixed roof Z4 with a M version.

BMW is missing out, strike Porsche while they struggling selling 4-banger Caymans.
Maybe you should take a look at the actual sales figures. Cayman sales are terrible, there is no big opportunity for sports car sales. Unfortunately all of the sales growth is in SUV's and sales of coupes and sedans are tanking. We are fortunate to have the options we have today. Porsche is considering killing the Cayman, the only thing that will save it is commonality with the new 911. I follow the data and it isn't pretty so we need go get the cars we love while we can.
This, as much as I prefer the levity of the prior post, hit the coffin nail on the head. I agree, if you like real sports cars or even sports coupes/sedans buy them while you still can. The future has far fewer choices. Demographics, aging boomers...kids who have no desire or care to learn to drive, safety regulations, it's death by a thousand cuts.

So yes, buy while you can or hold on to what you've got.
Correct...moreover newer cars are too soft and expensive to maintain in long run.
In future I will just buy old car...spend some money to fix/replace things...it will still be cheaper and more fun.
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And the Z06 and Gran Sport have complaints about bent rims.
Z06 and Grand Sport owners complain about bent rims because it's a 19" and 20" ultra wide rims (10" and 12", respectively) riding on super low profile (30 and 25) tires. You can't build rims at that size and expect them to be indestructible. There's no way. Not even with forged wheels no matter how strong they are. It's simply leverage, size, weight and force of impact.

I bent 2 sets of 18" rims on my E46, and completely shattered a forged BBS RG-R. Simple physics when you run over potholes and large train tracks at speed.
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Maybe you should take a look at the actual sales figures.
You mean these?

http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales...orsche-cayman/

U.S. Cayman sales figures YTD June (the only report I can find)
2017 (YTD June): 1,153
2018 (YTD June): 1,806

Year to year % increase: 56.63%

Looks to me like Cayman sales since Gen 2 has averaged out to be a very consistent ~3,500 units per year.

For comparison purposes, this is what BMW Z3/Z4 sales look like:

Z3: 113,712 (averages out to ~16,000 per year)

E85/6 Z4: ~77,xxx (~11,000 per year)

E89 Z4: ~22,xxx (~3,000 per year)
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whoever thinks this optioned out will be less than an m4 is dreaming. BMW cant wait to have something to compete with the 718 and then option the heck out of it. Starting price on the z4 m40i will easily be in the 60-70 range and then add options you are talking 75-85. Then comes all the special editions with mperformance parts and its closer to 90 now. Add in individual paint and leathers and youve got a 100k roadster.
At 100k your well past M4 vert pricing. Not going to happen.
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WHY AM I NOT SURPRISED.

We can throw an M badge on a gigantic X5 (I have no qualms with the X5M before you guys crucify me), BUT WE CANT HAVE A M Z4???

K.

I guess I'll just keep living in 2006.

Im also well aware that a Z4 M(whatever number) is gonna be great, but it'd be nice to have a proper M Z4 again.
I'm with you. X6M? Sure. Proper M roadster? No can do. : :
Don't knock the F85/F86 until you own and drive one. Just needs to be paired with a nibble M2/F80/F82/F83 in your garage. The M badge is overkill, as my avg MPG is 14
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This, as much as I prefer the levity of the prior post, hit the coffin nail on the head. I agree, if you like real sports cars or even sports coupes/sedans buy them while you still can. The future has far fewer choices. Demographics, aging boomers...kids who have no desire or care to learn to drive, safety regulations, it's death by a thousand cuts.

So yes, buy while you can or hold on to what you've got.
So it is. And if you listen carfully to German 'Car Popes' like Dudenhöfer, then you will understand where the quite near future will lead us. And this more in a revolutionary than evolutionary style.

And yes, lately I attended one of the rare oldtimer races on our only oval course and there were all the jewels of the last century with its visible mechanics, extatic designs and brachial sounds. It was fantastic but the visitors approx. age was 50-60 like me and not much youth around, like when I went there in the 70' as a kid.

For the true real lovers of fuel driven, manual gearbox cars the lights will not go off so quickly but the transition to much more efficient drive technologies is already ongoing. I decided earlier to keep my Z3 to have this old scool technic still at hand and I stay with that decision, even I'm meanwhile enlighted of the future by driving this genius i3.

And when sometimes the Zi4 is available you will never ask for any kind of gearbox again (which is a support construction anyway, only built to compensate the hughe disadvantages of a fuel motor). One pedal drive in a sports roadster, oh my good that will be soooo f...
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These new M40 models are pretty darn good too though!
True, but when models get a very specific engine and a tuned chassis...the car's character and personality changes dramatically.

Shame they said that, but still a chance they will release a M version.

Just imagine that new roadster/coupe with flared arches!
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