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      11-05-2020, 11:48 AM   #1
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Why Mercedes Benz has earned the right to call themselves F1 greats....

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...xfhCCptrh.html

This is a very good read by a renowned F1 journalist.

In VET's own words...."they (MB) are very close to perfection"
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A stellar read and great insights. They really should be a case study. Operational excellence across all parameters!
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Here is another.

The first part of a multi-part series describing the rise of the Mercedes Benz era. M5theonlyone, there is great part giving the timeline of the engine development. And it doesn't go back to 2007 or 2008 as you intimated in the past.

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https://the-race.com/formula-1/the-i...rcedes-f1-era/
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Here is another.

The first part of a multi-part series describing the rise of the Mercedes Benz era. M5theonlyone, there is great part giving the timeline of the engine development. And it doesn't go back to 2007 or 2008 as you intimated in the past.

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https://the-race.com/formula-1/the-i...rcedes-f1-era/
It wasn't me as you can see and NL did not deny he said it.
https://www.grandprix247.com/2017/02...ne-since-2007/
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"Last year, when they ran their W10 for the first time in testing in Barcelona, they knew something wasn’t right. By the second test they were ready with a fresh aerodynamic direction and went on to dominate another season."

sums up the inner synergy..
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It wasn't me as you can see and NL did not deny he said it.
https://www.grandprix247.com/2017/02...ne-since-2007/
So you're going to believe Montezemolo over the engineers that actually worked there. The former leader of one of the most ethically challenged team in the history of the sport. Got it!!
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So you're going to believe Montezemolo over the engineers that actually worked there. The former leader of one of the most ethically challenged team in the history of the sport. Got it!!
I don't think Monty would have got to where he was if he was dishonest.
The report is there.
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Well said -

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So you're going to believe Montezemolo over the engineers that actually worked there. The former leader of one of the most ethically challenged team in the history of the sport. Got it!!
MK,
This clearly means MB's insight and extensive R&D re Hybrid PU's is an industry leader and that MB has the ability to multi-function on so many levels.
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FIA chief Jean Todt “Mercedes, Renault and Ferrari knew for five years what engines they would need to use this year. Mercedes has simply done a better job. Such is motor sport.”

5 years is an eternity for any manufacturer to produce an F1 engine to a new design...Mercedes put in more resources and produced an innovative design...simples.
Crying and pretending that Mercedes had some sort of advantage or must be cheating to have managed an engine producing an extra ~30 bhp is pretty pathetic.
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This clearly means MB's insight and extensive R&D re Hybrid PU's is an industry leader and that MB has the ability to multi-function on so many levels.
Exactly.

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I don't think Monty would have got to where he was if he was dishonest.
The report is there.
Multiple cheating scandals took place on his watch.

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FIA chief Jean Todt “Mercedes, Renault and Ferrari knew for five years what engines they would need to use this year. Mercedes has simply done a better job. Such is motor sport.”

5 years is an eternity for any manufacturer to produce an F1 engine to a new design...Mercedes put in more resources and produced an innovative design...simples.
Crying and pretending that Mercedes had some sort of advantage or must be cheating to have managed an engine producing an extra ~30 bhp is pretty pathetic.
Spot on!

Mercedes was working on AN engine, not THAT engine (2014 iteration). They probably had dozens of single-cylinder concepts running for every possible contingency. This is Mercedes we are talking about. The article I posted even stated that they guessed the parameters wrong, built a 4 cylinder engine, and a few other challenges before they built the 3 working mules for the 2014 spec engine.

Mercedes didn't cheat. They were simply better and more dedicated in their execution of the regulations. As they have been each and every year since then.
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Mercedes didn't cheat. They were simply better and more dedicated in their execution of the regulations. As they have been each and every year since then.
The people that lose will always claim that the people that won only did so by cheating.
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The people that lose will always claim that the people that won only did so by cheating.
That's how "Lance Armstrong" said it as well ...
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That's how "Lance Armstrong" said it as well ...
I didn't say that they were not sometimes correct. Haha
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That's how "Lance Armstrong" said it as well ...
Well said.
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I didn't say that they were not sometimes correct. Haha
Sure mate .
Lance was also always a step ahead of the USADA .
So is Mercedes always a step ahead of the FIA .
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The continuing rhetoric that has now attempted (but won't) to hijack this thread about MB's undisputed dominance and continues to feed the baseless claims of cheating is abhorrent.

This lower level of rationale and choice of appealing to the low-hanging-fruit of rhetoric will most likely continue, thus pointing those that see the brilliance of the most dominant F1 team in F1 history to take a much higher road and proclaim well done to the current F1 champions.
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Sure mate .
Lance was also always a step ahead of the USADA .
So is Mercedes always a step ahead of the FIA .
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As the saying goes,there's no smoke without fire.
Maybe get some cream for that:
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As the saying goes,there's no smoke without fire.
You are seriously projecting the cheating history of RBR onto Mercedes Benz. It's really laughable.
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Maybe get some cream for that:
I think a cooling salve may work best. I anticipate many of them have a butt skin section that looks much like this one. I recommend the Boudreaux's Butt Paste of and then a cooling salve.

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Merc had been producing winning engines for decades before the hybrid era. I don't see how it's even a little bit surprising that they built a world class engine for new regulations. They'll likely do the same for the next era.

I think it's more that they produced an excellent car than engine. None of their customer teams managed to get close since 2014.
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I think a cooling salve may work best. I anticipate many of them have a butt skin section that looks much like this one. I recommend the Boudreaux's Butt Paste of and then a cooling salve.

UncleWede , cmyx6go , Joekerr Murf993 ...thoughts?
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