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      12-07-2021, 06:32 PM   #45
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Mate .Do you have a computer ? Laptop ? Smartphone ?

If I post the link or whatever .You will sound like an elephant in a china store .

Carry on !
Lol because there isn't anything that I could find referencing max's sustained damage as a result of that collision.

Don't forget the last time you posted a link about redbull's wing upgrades to match mercedes in terms of flexibility, that link was total nonsense and was based on pure opinionated speculation - there was zero truth, leaks, or anything. So everytime I cannot find something easily on google I give you a chance to respond with fact, otherwise it is just made up again.
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That’s not MBs style anyway,...
How do we know? In recent times, at least 7 years, they haven't faced any competition

I'm hoping for a fair fight from both sides.
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Guess I meant BOT will probably be better positioned on the grid to help HAM. Motivation to help could be a different story.
BOT will fail again . As usual by the lack of racecraft .

Over one lap in QF he's OK , because he's pushed by the Merc warp-speed
But in the race I think he's very (too) chicken .
I'm sure you could do better ?
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How do we know? In recent times, at least 7 years, they haven't faced any competition

I'm hoping for a fair fight from both sides.
The last few races BOT had a few chances to take out VER and didn’t even impede him. You are right, you never know when the pressure/stakes are this high though.
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The last few races BOT had a few chances to take out VER and didn’t even impede him. You are right, you never know when the pressure/stakes are this high though.
Because bot has respect for other drivers.
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i think redbull is going to be very aggressive here. both drivers will probably be instructed to do everything they can to stop lewis and not give him any room. They could really just have perez punt him off in the first corner and say that his brakes failed or he locked them up. verstappen would be free of blame.
That Isn't possible . The top 3 is MAX , HAM , BOT

After T1 the rest of the field is already out of sight ...

Checo stated in the last 2 races : My mission is to support the Red Bull Strategy .
But we don't see him...Not even close !

Red Bull and MAX need a miracle , because HAM's Rocket PU pulls everyone out of reach.

MAX had bad luck in Azerbeidzjan , Silverstone and the Hungaroring .
Otherwise had MAX now 12 victories and the lead of 75 points in the WDC .
And HAM's season was already 'over in Mexico.

So...It is what it is . And we'll see .
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Would love to watch this in Netherlands or England with the hometown fans of these drivers. Would be like watching Senna in Brazil. We'll never have a driver from the States. Stinks.
Yeah of course . But let's keep in mind It's the last race of the season , and this means It's december ...
December means ...Over here It's now winter .
In other words : We already got freeze temps and snow .

So , F1 cars with winter tyres ? Snow tyres ?
I don't think so ..
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Yeah of course . But let's keep in mind It's the last race of the season , and this means It's december ...
December means ...Over here It's now winter .
In other words : We already got freeze temps and snow .

So , F1 cars with winter tyres ? Snow tyres ?
I don't think so ..
That's right the weather controls everything and of course the middle east with it's F1 connections is always with open arms.
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Because bot has respect for other drivers.
It appears so but how well do we really know these drivers? Netflix, interviews and information gleaned from watching GPs doesn't tell the whole story.

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Do me wrong I'm going to get you back and then some.
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It appears so but how well do we really know these drivers? Netflix, interviews and information gleaned from watching GPs doesn't tell the whole story.

Not one of my finer qualities but I'm a spiteful MF'er when angered
Do me wrong I'm going to get you back and then some.
But, people never see that in my personality till it's too late.

I'm not proud of it But, "Revenge is a dish best served cold." ~Unknown

And another favorite quote, "To the last I grapple with thee. From hell's heart I stab at thee. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee." ~Khan?
Nice bit of poetry there my friend.
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Lol because there isn't anything that I could find referencing max's sustained damage as a result of that collision.
If there was nothing you could find then you must be the worst google searcher of the century.

1st and 2nd picture with the simple search string:







And to clarify his damage:
He pretty much lost half his front floor (the complete barge board area is gone, and there is some damage at the rear part too), that's probably about 6-7ft² of carbon missing...






That will have a huge impact on how the car behaves. It was probably also pulling to one side like crazy.




....apparently the members that liked your post are just as hopeless with a google search.....
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We'll never have a driver from the States. Stinks.
Possibly, but you had this legendary champ!

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BOT will fail again . As usual by the lack of racecraft .

Over one lap in QF he's OK , because he's pushed by the Merc warp-speed
But in the race I think he's very (too) chicken .
Merc to BOT: Sure you can use a fresh engine *again*
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BOT will fail again . As usual by the lack of racecraft .

Over one lap in QF he's OK , because he's pushed by the Merc warp-speed
But in the race I think he's very (too) chicken .
Wouldn't it be ironic if BOT performed the ultimate wingman maneuver and punted your driver off the track.

Not that I think HAM even needs the help. I predict a sweet victory for the Mercs and HAM on Sunday.
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If there was nothing you could find then you must be the worst google searcher of the century.

1st and 2nd picture with the simple search string:







And to clarify his damage:
He pretty much lost half his front floor (the complete barge board area is gone, and there is some damage at the rear part too), that's probably about 6-7ft² of carbon missing...






That will have a huge impact on how the car behaves. It was probably also pulling to one side like crazy.




....apparently the members that liked your post are just as hopeless with a google search.....
What does this have to do with the claimed 40% diffuser damage in Saudi in which he was referring to, where the hell did Hungry come from?

Below is the quote he was responding to, not Hungry... Where is the proof of this below statement? Beside that's a picture of a barge board not a diffuser.

"40% of MAX's diffuser was gone ...the turbulence took the cars stability completely away .

HAM's "Flexible Mercedes front wing was just too strong ! "

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Several changes have been introduced to the circuit, early in the lap, the chicane that formed T5 and 6 will be bypassed with a straight.

- The following hairpin has been brought forward and widened, increasing the speed carried onto the subsequent straight.

- A long and slightly banked turn has been created to replace the technical complex of corners (Turns 11-14) that existed previously. Think Dutch GP.

- Near the end of the lap, the four tight corners that route the track around the Yas Marina hotel (Turns 17-20) have all been opened up and made faster.



Modification to the track have shortened the circuit by 273m, so the race distance has been increased from 55 to 58 laps and lap times will be about 14 seconds faster.

Race will begin just before sunset and run a night. FP2 and qualifying are the only two relevant sessions.

Last year's winning strategy was medium to hard tire one-stopper.
Pole sitter won last 6 races.
Looks like the changes will promote better racing.
Should really add to the season wrap up.

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Looks like the changes will promote better racing.
Should really add to the season wrap up.

Again Turn 6 and Turn 9 will be the major over-taking locations. Don't think T5 will be popular given its also a DRS detection zone and drivers would wanted to avoid being the first to pass it. Even though it had been widen to promote various entry points.

Brave drivers may try to overtake at T12 if they're close enough.

The hotel section would be more or less similar to before, even though it flow faster.

Overall, the modifications looks promising.
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where the hell did Hungry come from?
Sorry, I thought it was a reference to using BOT to take out VER in reaction on PER taking out HAM in Abu dhabi.
That's why I couldn't believe someone had missed the damage.
The pointing back and forth goes so fast in these topics that you sometimes loose track, just as the driver de


However in Jeddah there seems to be more carbon debris at the crash than that was missing from HAM's front wing, so that must have come from Max' car.
HAM looses about half of his front wing end plate. (the other half keeps flapping about and he looses that a few laps later)
Maybe this is where he was referring to?

Debris on track:



damage on HAM's front wing:



Despite the crash that is quite minimal damage. That wing must be really tough.
I wouldn't be surprised if MERC developed their own tough version of carbon. Maybe with something like an aramid fibre woven into it to make it less prone to completely crack/break.
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Some of the debris was also from the underside of the wing as two of the under wing strakes were broken off. Hard to say what happened to Max's car with out some rear end photos. I can't find anything stating 40% damage, at this point its a guess without some proof.

https://au.motorsport.com/f1/news/ha...amage/6856849/
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If there was nothing you could find then you must be the worst google searcher of the century.

1st and 2nd picture with the simple search string:





And to clarify his damage:
He pretty much lost half his front floor (the complete barge board area is gone, and there is some damage at the rear part too), that's probably about 6-7ft² of carbon missing...






That will have a huge impact on how the car behaves. It was probably also pulling to one side like crazy.




....apparently the members that liked your post are just as hopeless with a google search.....

Huh strange that doesn't look like it's from the Saudi Arabian gp....

Also doesn't look like the diffuser...
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Maybe a potential gamechanger:
Abu Dabi apparently has the same sharp kerbs as Qatar:
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/10086...-are-back.html

So Pirelli declared after the race in Qatar that the many tyre blowouts were caused by the sharp kerbs on the losail circuit.

So the urge for fast laptimes might be part of a gamble: do I take the kerb or not?
Might give an interesting spin on the championchip
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