[Roundown]

Originally Posted by OUGrad05

uhh what? Why would they want that?

So they realize the residuals they've been writing. It's a great point.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Aaaah ... But still posting on BMW forums so apparently not quite Ready to step up to Porsche ?

It's a slow process apparently ...

Just because you post here doesn't mean you haven't made the jump.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by goj

Most of the options on any of these cars are all added premium or performance features. The Macan is made to be priced competitively to the X3/4 35i so that makes sense...you're arguing what you'd choose based on your values...I really don't care. And you're comment about the well equipped X3 28i being right around the price of the new regular Macan model? they're competitors if you didn't notice the prices should be similar.

What is ridiculous is you comparing a moderately loaded to loaded car like an M4 to the base price on the 911. I've been to a couple Porsche dealers and never have I seen a Carrera under 100k sticker. We are talking 15-20% higher minimum for a 911.

That's because the M3/4 isn't really on par with a 911...at least from Porsche's viewpoint. Have you seen a 911 go into limp mode after 2-3 launch control starts?

Try 50 or 60...in a row. Over and over and over...Not the same level of car - it just isn't.

Or just a simple comparo...

Perhaps the over-engineering and whatnot is worth the % upcharge? That's up to the buyer I guess.

Some insane % of Porsche buyers are coming directly from a BMW...which says something...

[Jaghave]

I guess the 300 dollar up charge is to make up for that lawsuit bmw lost.

[goj]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

That's because the M3/4 isn't really on par with a 911...at least from Porsche's viewpoint. Have you seen a 911 go into limp mode after 2-3 launch control starts?

Try 50 or 60...in a row. Over and over and over...Not the same level of car - it just isn't.

Perhaps the over-engineering and whatnot is worth the % upcharge? That's up to the buyer I guess.

Some insane % of Porsche buyers are coming directly from a BMW...which says something...

I know...that's what I am saying....

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

That's because the M3/4 isn't really on par with a 911...at least from Porsche's viewpoint. Have you seen a 911 go into limp mode after 2-3 launch control starts?

Try 50 or 60...in a row. Over and over and over...Not the same level of car - it just isn't.

Perhaps the over-engineering and whatnot is worth the % upcharge? That's up to the buyer I guess.

Some insane % of Porsche buyers are coming directly from a BMW...which says something...

This NOT the M3/4 Vs. thread and you are

[doccyber]

Originally Posted by greekcs

And that's why i'm moving away from BMW's. The ultimate nickel and dime machine.

I'm afraid that "honor" goes to Porsche.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Just because you post here doesn't mean you haven't made the jump.

Oh of course, but it's the ones that "threaten" and really don't that are the most annoying

[RENT-A-GOAT]

Originally Posted by stubenhocker

We have 3 BMW's and 1 Porsche 997.2 and the BMW's are NOT cheaper to operate and service compared to the Porker!

Depends how much you drive your Porsche then, I know a fact a service on a 997 is a lot more than a BM one at the local dealership here in the UK. Factor in the cost of a set of tyres alone for the 997 a BMs tyres don't come close. BMW parts are close but Porsche parts are above them again even down to the oil and fluids. Yes a Porsche being driven a few thousand miles a year as a weekend drive will be fairly easy to keep and will like for like be cheaper than a BM to run but used properly with regular use and track days and the Porsche will hit the wallet a lot harder.

[David70]

My guess is they look at their costs, what their competition is doing, the inflation rate and make an estimation on what will produce the most profits (the endless volume contests wouldn't matter to me) and go from there. I don't see BMW being any different than any other company and as always, customers don't like price increases.

1.5% inflation, $50k = $750

Then reality is they can charge what they want and when it is time to buy a car I price out the car I want from them and a few other sources (actually what I can buy it for as MSRP doesn't matter much) and then decide based on the qualities of the car and the price for each. I bought an ATS based on the above.

Complaining about what BMW or bread cost today compared to yesterday is pointless. If you don't like either move on.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

This NOT the M3/4 Vs. thread and you are

Then many other responses in many other threads are likely to be categorized as "off-topic" - perhaps you should get to policing all of those as well.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by RENT-A-GOAT

Depends how much you drive your Porsche then, I know a fact a service on a 997 is a lot more than a BM one at the local dealership here in the UK. Factor in the cost of a set of tyres alone for the 997 a BMs tyres don't come close. BMW parts are close but Porsche parts are above them again even down to the oil and fluids. Yes a Porsche being driven a few thousand miles a year as a weekend drive will be fairly easy to keep and will like for like be cheaper than a BM to run but used properly with regular use and track days and the Porsche will hit the wallet a lot harder.

I hear you - and I am sure I will spend more maintaining my 981 than I would have my 235. The interesting thing though is that the old/good scheduled maintenance was built into the BMW MSRP - you were definitely paying for it, it was just carried out in a different way. It is really a perception issue.

The new program/direction with the lessened maintenance coverage is pretty interesting - I wonder if it will change perceptions when those leasing a 320i need a brake job during a typical 3 year/15K mile lease.

On a positive note, I have used my 981 as a DD (as I did all my Bimmers before) and can say that it has performed well from that perspective so far. I am encouraged...but know there's going to be some $2,000 visits to the dealer for maintenance in my future.

[jondaman]

Originally Posted by cncmastr

So they are raising prices and reducing the scope of their maintenance and warranty? Hooray for upholding shareholder value!!

What do you mean? That is awesome for share holder values, increasing the top line, reducing expenses, and increase the bottom line too.
For owners and consumers, that is another story

[pbjjj]

The news below could've contributed to the cost increase for metallic paint option. As a result of the news/discovery, maybe BMW is expecting production cost to increase as they need to source mica mineral from different and possibly more expensive factories?

https://www.theguardian.com/global-d...ld-labour-mica

[NickyC]

Regardless of having the means to afford a new vehicle, screw ever buying a new vehicle again. The prices they are charging for these cars is completely insane today (thanks QE and 72 month loans/easy money driving the price of this crap up!!).

I'm thrilled with my Z4M Roadster which is still insanely fun to drive and more of a car than I honestly deserve to own. Screw car payments, screw debt, and most of all SCREW car companies for the outright nonsense in regards to prices these days. I'm going to stay happy with I've got, and the Jones' can go f'themselves!

[Meeni]

Originally Posted by noro

Sorry folks, this has nothing to do with BMW... this is the dark side of Quantitative Easing.. when your dollars become more and more like toilet paper.

In the real world, not populated with crazy goldbugs, the dollar has made a very strong showing against the euro, ticking almost 30% stronger than a couple of years ago. PArity of buying power is also stronger in the us that it comparatively was agains EU a couple years ago. So whatever the fed did, it did not devaluate the dollar, especially not against euro (which is what matters when pricing a BMW car).

Change rate says taht BMW is taking home 30% more income, yet they keep jacking oup the price of every option, diming us to death with optional stuff that should be standard in this day and age, and removing the maintenance program. This is just greed.

[silverabt]

Cheap AF