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      08-26-2015, 12:55 PM   #45
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Their population is also about 4.7 times lower than the US's and I said violent crime, not homicide. Violent crimes include armed robbery, stabbings and beatings etc. that don't lead to death, and yes, homicide. This doesn't even factor in the amount of gang violence in the US, which as said before, accounts for most homicides.
The USA has 2.97 homicides by firearm per 100 k population. The UK 0.07. Data from the UN.
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      08-26-2015, 12:55 PM   #46
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How come occurrences like these are more common in the USA than anywhere else in the world? How come they are less common in, let's say China, than anywhere else? Less unstable people in China? Did not think so.
Americans are almost breed to believe that respect is something they deserve from just being born. And when i say respect, i mean to what ever level they deem appropriate. Not normal respect for your fellow human.

Many Americans think that life is supposed to be fair. Our government has been telling the less fortunate that life isn't fair and thats wrong. They've told them that they deserve the same things everyone else has.

Illegal guns are easy to get, and if you have a clean criminal back ground and comply with the laws and regulations, it is easy to get a gun.

I think, with these conditions, you have people who believe they have been slighted and disenfranchised and need to make things "right". Then these people being cowards, use a firearm as a tool to exact their revenge. just like this nut bag did.

If you think China is a better place to live than the USA, you are free to renounce your citizenship and catch the next boat out. Did not think so.
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So, since we have more guns, we shoot better???
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      08-26-2015, 12:56 PM   #48
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Americans are almost breed to believe that respect is something they deserve from just being born. And when i say respect, i mean to what ever level they deem appropriate. Not normal respect for your fellow human.

Many Americans think that life is supposed to be fair. Our government has been telling the less fortunate that life isn't fair and thats wrong. They've told them that they deserve the same things everyone else has.

Illegal guns are easy to get, and if you have a clean criminal back ground and comply with the laws and regulations, it is easy to get a gun.

I think, with these conditions, you have people who believe they have been slighted and disenfranchised and need to make things "right". Then these people being cowards, use a firearm as a tool to exact their revenge. just like this nut bag did.

If you think China is a better place to live than the USA, you are free to renounce your citizenship and catch the next boat out. Did not think so.
Have they really been telling people that? I always just assumed it was because parents are raising kids now to be a bunch of pansies. Only people I know with that mentality are those who were spoiled growing up. I don't really recall a specific instances where some politician or viable candidate has actually said that to people.

Plus in this instance, this dude was 41 years old, which surprised me. What also confuses me is how he KNEW they were going to be there. It says he used to work there for a couple years...but if he's no longer an employee, how'd he know they'd be there?

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      08-26-2015, 12:58 PM   #49
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So, since we have more guns, we shoot better???
Perversely i think you do. The gun culture is so ingrained that the guys doing the mass shootings are well trained, quite good shots, on most occasions anyway.

Certainly the Columbine and Sandy Hook killers seemed to be able to pick people off.

In saying that, you misunderstood the post from Nick, there's just less guns in circulation.
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This happened about a one mile, maybe less, (as the bird flies) from my house. They said he had escaped on foot at first. I was very happy to have my guns in my hands this morning. I was definitely on alert, but felt safe. Glad I have that right on days like this.
Must've been a wild morning and several hours for you. Glad you're safe.
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      08-26-2015, 01:00 PM   #51
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Jesus spare me.

Rate, homicide RATE, population is accounted for. Which is actually WORSE for the US because mass killings have a bigger impact on the numbers in countries with lower populations.

As for homicide vs deaths, you prove my point! The US appears to not be significantly more violent than the UK or Canada or AUstralia but you end up dead more often because people are locked and loaded.
The, ahem, demographics in the US don't exactly match those other countries.
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That is almost as sad as what he did.
I don't know why I did this, but I saw that awful video he posted on Twitter before they took it down. But after seeing how he shot given how close he was, I'm not too surprised he couldn't exactly kill himself.
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It was creepy quiet. No morning walkers. Couldn't even hear dogs barking- all were inside. Even the lake was quiet. People weren't sure if he hadn't escaped by boat.
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Perversely i think you do. The gun culture is so ingrained that the guys doing the mass shootings are well trained, quite good shots, on most occasions anyway.

Certainly the Columbine and Sandy Hook killers seemed to be able to pick people off.

In saying that, you misunderstood the post from Nick, there's just less guns in circulation.
I don't think it's as much as them knowing how to shoot, just not too hard to hit something in an enclosed space.
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You do not understand the concept of a rate? a percentage?
If you do not, this discussion must be very hard for you to follow.
What kind of rate? Rate of violence versus population? Rate of change, rate of increase, rate of decline? Alfisti was not specific. But I assume you mean rate per capita. I refer you to my original statement that almost all of our homicides are gang-related, whereas the UK's are often victimization.

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Jesus spare me.

Rate, homicide RATE, population is accounted for. Which is actually WORSE for the US because mass killings have a bigger impact on the numbers in countries with lower populations.

As for homicide vs deaths, you prove my point! The US appears to not be significantly more violent than the UK or Canada or AUstralia but you end up dead more often because people are locked and loaded.
Calm down, this is a debate, not a schoolyard fight. Again, most of our gun deaths are gang-related. Incidents such as these are very rare. That doesn't make them any less tragic, but removing all guns is not the answer. Cracking down on violent gang crime is. To repeat myself, guns save lives every day across the US as well, and most guns (which are estimated to outnumber our citizens) go unfired.
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      08-26-2015, 01:07 PM   #56
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What kind of rate? Rate of violence versus population? Rate of change, rate of increase, rate of decline? Alfisti was not specific. But I assume you mean rate per capita. I refer you to my original statement that almost all of our homicides are gang-related, whereas the UK's are often victimization.
Don't fully agree. The UKs gun crime tends to be gang related, and often ends in murder.
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      08-26-2015, 01:07 PM   #57
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Spot on, I agree with this 100%. I suspect many others do too.

I theorized once that people should purchase gun insurance, kind of like the way you need (or at least should) tell your home or renters insurance company if you own guns or purchase a gun...one assumes you'd at least like them replaced if your home or apartment burns to the ground anyway or if some dipshit manages to gain access to your gun and shoots himself by accident, at least you're protected if he or she tries to sue the shit out of you.

You could create incentive to be RESPONSIBLE gun owners from that right there. If they're kept in a safe, then you get a discount. You took a firearm safety course? You get a discount. I theorized that years ago as a possible solution.

I grew up in a gun loving household since my dad is an avid hunter and I've never had an issue with guns. I recall times just face palming because I couldn't grasp the news stories where parents LEFT A LOADED GUN for their child to easily have access to and accidentally killing themselves or someone else. I always found that so dumbfounding. As a child, if I ever even entered my house with a loaded gun and forgot to unload it prior to coming inside, he'd of killed me. Before touching a gun as a kid my dad took me aside and taught me how to use one, responsible handling of a gun, storing it, etc etc. It's absolutely dumbfounding to me that other families never bothered to do the same, or at least keep them in safe storage.
I think that could do a lot for suicides and accidents (which are often added into the total gun death rates)

I take the safe keeping of my weapons very seriously. I continue to chastise friends who keep a gun in their cars. I just can't take the risk of contributing to criminal gun violence like that. I don't want any of my weapons to fall into the wrong hands. Criminal or innocent.

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Have they really been telling people that? I always just assumed it was because parents are raising kids now to be a bunch of pansies. Only people I know with that mentality are those who were spoiled growing up.

Plus in this instance, this dude was 41 years old, which surprised me.
I think they are and have been in a round about way. Parents seem to be following suit. But that's just my opinion.

By making their kids the center of the universe they aren't exposed to disappointment too often. Then when they get into the real world some can't cope with the real world not being fair. Then they run into a theater start shooting innocent people.

Tough answers and decisions to make, but i'm not sure this type of thing is really on the rise. Maybe it's just that we know about it nearly instantly, no matter where it happened. I mean within minutes this guy tweeted to the WORLD what he had done with a first person POV video. Not so much the case in 1985. In 1985 it may have been weeks before this circulated down to FL, if it even did.

The media isn't stupid and it feeds the people what it wants. It wants this drama and excitement of emotions. The media will provide when available.
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The USA has 2.97 homicides by firearm per 100 k population. The UK 0.07. Data from the UN.
Curious. Where does Canada fit in that ranking?

The reason I ask is US and Canadian culture are the most similar.
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Don't fully agree. The UKs gun crime tends to be gang related, and often ends in murder.
Uhh I think the guy in Missouri is more qualified on UK gun violence than you are.
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On his LinkedIn profile – under the name Bryce Williams – Vesper Lee Flanagan said he worked in news at several TV stations around the country since the mid-1990s and also, outside of the news business, held jobs in marketing and customer relations.

Flanagan said he joined WDBJ in March 2012 after working for a marketing company for eight years, and that he left the station after less than a year, in February 2013. On the air Wednesday, WDBJ’s general manager, Jeff Marks, said that after months of disruptive behavior, Flanagan was fired and ushered out of the station by police.

Flanagan “did not take that well,” Marks told viewers.

“Vesper was an unhappy man,” the general manager said. “We employed him as a reporter, and he had some talent in that respect, and some experience, although he had been out of the business for a while when we hired him here. He quickly became – gathered a reputation as someone who was difficult to work with …

“He was sort of looking out for people to say things that he could take offense to,” Marks recalled. “And eventually, after many incidents of his anger coming to the fore, we dismissed him. And he did not take that well. We had to call the police to escort him from the building.

“Since then –well, he then fired an action with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, in which he made all kinds of complaints. And there may have been one about Alison and/or Adam – I frankly don’t remember – but about members of the staff making racial comments. He was African American. And none of them could be corroborated by anyone. We think they were fabricated.

“But just as an insurance policy,” Marks said, “we went about and talked to all of our employees who had been able to be exposed to this. And we have a pretty diverse workplace. And we got nothing about that. And the Equal Opportunity Employment Commission dismissed the claim out of hand. And that was that.

“So we had an unhappy former employee. But this happens. And usually they move on. Sometimes they’re just not suited for the work, and they move on and get a job somewhere else. But he remained in town, because every now and then someone would run into him at the grocery store or someplace like that.

“But,” Marks said, “I don’t recall getting a report of any run-ins or difficult situations … so there was not a lot of concern.”
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Guy just seemed like he had an anger problem, I'm not a doctor or anything so I don't know if that counts as a "mental illness" or just a weirdo with a temper.
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WTF, People are such a fucking pussy's. YOU HURT MY FEELINGS SO I WILL SHOOT YOU IN A BACK.
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Curious. Where does Canada fit in that ranking?

The reason I ask is US and Canadian culture are the most similar.
Canada is 0.51
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The USA has 2.97 homicides by firearm per 100 k population. The UK 0.07. Data from the UN.
By firearm yes, but by other means no. Same for the US too, I think most homicides here are perpetrated by a blunt object.
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By making their kids the center of the universe they aren't exposed to disappointment too often. Then when they get into the real world some can't cope with the real world not being fair. Then they run into a theater start shooting innocent people.

Tough answers and decisions to make, but i'm not sure this type of thing is really on the rise. Maybe it's just that we know about it nearly instantly, no matter where it happened. I mean within minutes this guy tweeted to the WORLD what he had done with a first person POV video. Not so much the case in 1985. In 1985 it may have been weeks before this circulated down to FL, if it even did.

The media isn't stupid and it feeds the people what it wants. It wants this drama and excitement of emotions. The media will provide when available.
I always assumed it was a relatively isolated thing until I read that some school districts were evidently giving "participation" awards and some are mulling eliminating having a HS valedictorian and salutatorian for the exact reason you described. Just mind numbing. May as well just get rid of grades.
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Reading the live blog (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...b84058&hpid=z2), shooter was pronounced dead at 1:26 PM.
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Curious. Where does Canada fit in that ranking?

The reason I ask is US and Canadian culture are the most similar.
Not in my experience. The US hangs pretty hard right, Canadians sit centre/centre left. I'd say Australia is Canada's closest relative if you ignore sports.

Big country
Small population
Mostly useless ice or sand
Commonwealth history
High tax rates
High social security
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Tight gun laws

There's a lot in common.
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