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      09-24-2015, 01:04 PM   #23
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Yup, just like the dipshit that started this thread ... yes fundguy, I mean you.
You come off as a spoiled brat.
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I offer real problems. Most don't address how they would fix. I don't agree with Gabe but I respect him for trying. Just sounds like a socialist college professor vomiting.
Most of us are at work and admittedly what you put together takes a lot of time and thought. In browsing you mention this:

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Reset minimum to higher wage and have it raise with inflation with a max annual increase of 5%.
In the off-chance the economy experiences deflation, would you have minimum wage be taken down accordingly?

And out of curiosity, why get rid of the EPA? Of all the government agencies, why the EPA?
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I'd hire a massive team of the best and brightest to build a time machine to go back in time to do everything we possibly could to stop the last republican president from being elected.

Its funny how Clinton left us a balanced budget, a booming economy and a soaring stock market and 8 years later we were 11 trillion in debt, in the middle of two wars that were entered into without thought to an exit strategy and cost us 3 trillion and thousands of lives, a GDP that had negative growth for the first time in half a century, 10% unemployment and a Dow Jones at 7500. The auto, financial and housing industries were on the verge of collapse, and we had to do a near trillion dollar bail out. Obama inherits that huge mess and now we have a dead OBL, growing economy, 5.1% unemployment, the bail outs repaid with interest, the Dow is at 16000, credit is flowing, and gas prices are 50% lower than GWB's last year. But yeah, let's please elect another republican to "fix this mess". People who don't learn from their mistakes are bound to repeat them....have fun with that.

And why is the republican answer always more military? To be the party of jesus, you guys sure like killing folks...and not helping the poor. Ironic.

Right now we spend more on defense than the next 8 countries below us combined. We really need to spend more??
Clinton transferred national debt to the states. Thatso how he stopped building the debt. His economic prosperity was due to Reagan, not him. He was just smart enough not to mess with success.
Two wars were one started by them because we pulled out to soon and bad Intel gathering caused by Clinton dismantling the CIA on the ground.
War coat 1 trillion, debt was 9 trillion, unemployment was in the 5 and change range when Obama took over.
Dow was in the 6000 range when bush did because of clintons tech bubble and 9/11 and then dropped again due to clintons bundling or mortgages law.
Obl is dead due to Intel put in place by bush and was delayed by Obama. Car companies were imploding due to union costs that Obama preserved so they will blow up again. Gas is lower because Obama drove them up making facing viable, so Saudis drove them down to kill facing and bring them up again. REAL Unemployment is 11.9% now and credit is only available to the rich or spotless credit people, not the ones who need it.
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Most of us are at work and admittedly what you put together takes a lot of time and thought. In browsing you mention this:



In the off-chance the economy experiences deflation, would you have minimum wage be taken down accordingly?

And out of curiosity, why get rid of the EPA? Of all the government agencies, why the EPA?
Yes minimum would ratchet down too but only so much. Max 3% a year maybe.
EPA because their sole purpose now is use its laws to beat up on business. The environment can be protected by laws not a liberal agency with an agenda.
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EPA because their sole purpose now is use its laws to beat up on business. The environment can be protected by laws not a liberal agency with an agenda.
I guess my question is, who would enforce those laws?

And you have agencies like the SEC, who also use laws to beat up on business. What about them?
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I didn't see the epa thing. Why do the pubs hate it so much? And regulations? Laws that are put in place to protect us and they hate them. Do they think global warming is fake and evolution is the devil too? Geez, if you look at fundguy's list its all the usual GOP talking points. Many bodies, one mind.

And regarding weed I agree it should be legal nationwide. I certainly wouldn't throw anyone in jail who is legally selling it now though, that's idiotic.
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Illegal?
I have friends that smoke with their first coffee while reading or watching the news. It's any and everywhere here in Texas. I don't smoke but a few of these friends will die fighting for legalization here.
Maybe I just don't get it.
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Why should kids be allowed to stay on their parents health insurance til age 26? You realize that employers and employees pay the cost of that. I believe that when kids turn 18 (or 22 if they stay in college) they should get a job and be responsible for their own ass. If they can buy booze (and weed - depending upon the state), pay taxes, join the military and vote, they should be invested in real life.

I'd also outlaw participation trophies.
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Clinton transferred national debt to the states. Thatso how he stopped building the debt. His economic prosperity was due to Reagan, not him. He was just smart enough not to mess with success.
Two wars were one started by them because we pulled out to soon and bad Intel gathering caused by Clinton dismantling the CIA on the ground.
War coat 1 trillion, debt was 9 trillion, unemployment was in the 5 and change range when Obama took over.
Dow was in the 6000 range when bush did because of clintons tech bubble and 9/11 and then dropped again due to clintons bundling or mortgages law.
Obl is dead due to Intel put in place by bush and was delayed by Obama. Car companies were imploding due to union costs that Obama preserved so they will blow up again. Gas is lower because Obama drove them up making facing viable, so Saudis drove them down to kill facing and bring them up again. REAL Unemployment is 11.9% now and credit is only available to the rich or spotless credit people, not the ones who need it.
So to sum up, the largest period of economic growth we have ever had, which occurred during Clinton's term, was caused by Reagan? 9/11, which happened on Bush's watch with Rice even giving him a memo saying "Al Queda determined to strike inside USA with planes" was really all Clinton's fault? So was the economic crash? And the death of OBL during Obama's term was really Bush (not sure why he didn't do it before the election in that case) too? And the Dow plummeting on Bush's watch was Clinton's fault? And the great gas prices we have now are in spite of BO?

So really what you are saying is the GOP is secretly responsible for every good thing that has happened in the last 30 years and the DNC is solely responsible for all the bad, even though the timing indicates the truth is exactly the opposite. Got it. Are you secretly Glenn Beck?

What a bunch of horse shit. Scary.
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Why should kids be allowed to stay on their parents health insurance til age 26? You realize that employers and employees pay the cost of that. I believe that when kids turn 18 (or 22 if they stay in college) they should get a job and be responsible for their own ass. If they can buy booze (and weed - depending upon the state), pay taxes, join the military and vote, they should be invested in real life.

I'd also outlaw participation trophies.
I think it's to cover those who go to grad school too but yes I think 26 is still too long.
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I'd also outlaw participation trophies.
What party are you running under, so I can switch and vote for you
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Somehow try to get people to think like this guy would be a great start. Hate is out of control. I'm guilty of narrowness too. This made my day!


http://feeds.nydailynews.com/~r/nydn...icle-1.2373109
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I guess my question is, who would enforce those laws?

And you have agencies like the SEC, who also use laws to beat up on business. What about them?
SEC no problems. EPA laws enforced by department it the interior. Management of all agencies run by a bipartisan group appointed by Congress and overseen my a cabinet member. This stops abuse by either party.
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I didn't see the epa thing. Why do the pubs hate it so much? And regulations? Laws that are put in place to protect us and they hate them. Do they think global warming is fake and evolution is the devil too? Geez, if you look at fundguy's list its all the usual GOP talking points. Many bodies, one mind.

And regarding weed I agree it should be legal nationwide. I certainly wouldn't throw anyone in jail who is legally selling it now though, that's idiotic.
EPA as it stands has gone way past it's mandate with creative interpretations to push agendas. Global warming is debatable. Following AL Gores movie for example I should be under water right now.
As for legally selling it right now nobody is. State law doesn't trump federal. It's just Obama choice to disregard the laws he doesn't like and not enforce them.
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Somehow try to get people to think like this guy would be a great start. Hate is out of control. I'm guilty of narrowness too. This made my day!


http://feeds.nydailynews.com/~r/nydn...icle-1.2373109
Here's an actual photo:



I guess people out in the midwest are just that friendly. That happened here or in a place like NYC or something, some smug prick would get annoyed at having to wait.
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Illegal?
I have friends that smoke with their first coffee while reading or watching the news. It's any and everywhere here in Texas. I don't smoke but a few of these friends will die fighting for legalization here.
Maybe I just don't get it.
Then have them work towards changing the law. I'm for enforcement of the law. I don't care if it's legalized or not. I care that society lives by its laws and not just the ones the current president finds convenient.
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Why should kids be allowed to stay on their parents health insurance til age 26? You realize that employers and employees pay the cost of that. I believe that when kids turn 18 (or 22 if they stay in college) they should get a job and be responsible for their own ass. If they can buy booze (and weed - depending upon the state), pay taxes, join the military and vote, they should be invested in real life.

I'd also outlaw participation trophies.
I totally agree but I'm trying to be realistic and not a hardliner. I also believe no participation trophies and schools should be required to have an hour each day of physical ed.
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So to sum up, the largest period of economic growth we have ever had, which occurred during Clinton's term, was caused by Reagan? 9/11, which happened on Bush's watch with Rice even giving him a memo saying "Al Queda determined to strike inside USA with planes" was really all Clinton's fault? So was the economic crash? And the death of OBL during Obama's term was really Bush (not sure why he didn't do it before the election in that case) too? And the Dow plummeting on Bush's watch was Clinton's fault? And the great gas prices we have now are in spite of BO?

So really what you are saying is the GOP is secretly responsible for every good thing that has happened in the last 30 years and the DNC is solely responsible for all the bad, even though the timing indicates the truth is exactly the opposite. Got it. Are you secretly Glenn Beck?

What a bunch of horse shit. Scary.
Dow went up 500% under Reagan and Bush one, 200% under Clinton. 9/11 wasn't anyone's fault. Intel sicker and we had different laws. But Afghanistan wasn't a war of agression by republicans. OBL was found with the people bush put into motion. Obama balked 4 times before killing him.
Dow plummeted under Clinton when tech bubble burst. Plummeted again under bush from 9/11 during bushes tech bubble recovery. Plummeted again under bush when banking crisis happened caused by legislation written by Clinton.

And yes the gas prices are definitely despite BO.
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I guess people out in the midwest are just that friendly. That happened here or in a place like NYC or something, some smug prick would get annoyed at having to wait.
That's sad. I know what you mean though and hope you take three seconds to hold the door for an elderly person sometime. Common courtesy and basic manners are in the toilet.

NYC was just anointed the most unfriendly city in America...again.
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What party are you running under, so I can switch and vote for you
Closest would be republican but I do have some liberal bias growing up outside NYC.
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I would make it illegal to drive in the left lane unless you have a BMW.
I would make it legal to drive like an asshole if you have a BMW.
I would bang as many secretaries and assistants as possible Bill Clinton style.
I would annex Cali to get that state out of the US.
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I would make it illegal to drive in the left lane unless you have a BMW.
I would make it legal to drive like an asshole if you have a BMW.
I would bang as many secretaries and assistants as possible Bill Clinton style.
I would annex Cali to get that state out of the US.
I would like to vote for you.
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