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      11-17-2015, 08:04 AM   #45
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Unfortunately, I don't have the means.

I have written to my MP and MPP letting them know I am in favour of bringing more refugees in with the associated risks. I have gone out and bought kitchen sets, small appliances and warm clothes, out of my own pocket, for a couple new refugee families that had just arrived in Canada, and are now living in our neighbourhood.

I am helping, what are you doing?
Buying more hollow tip 5.56mm and getting a green laser for my AR so I can drop them faster and not hit innocent bystanders when one goes jihaddie.
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Buying more hollow tip 5.56mm and getting a green laser for my AR so I can drop them faster and not hit innocent bystanders when one goes jihaddie.
So, you are just as radical as the muslim extremists.
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I don't do handouts. I give you a job. Remember. I'm republican. Democrats do handouts.

As for helping out, my fiance and i are supporting 4 Cuban refugees living in my house 100%. They fled Castro. I'm not worried they're going to blow up the castle at Disney though.
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So, you are just as radical as the muslim extremists.
Nope. I shoot after they attack. Not just shoot them for who they are. I think I was clear about that.

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Unfortunately, I don't have the means.

I have written to my MP and MPP letting them know I am in favour of bringing more refugees in with the associated risks. I have gone out and bought kitchen sets, small appliances and warm clothes, out of my own pocket, for a couple new refugee families that had just arrived in Canada, and are now living in our neighbourhood.

I am helping, what are you doing?
Defending my borders by doing what I can to keep them the fuck out. That's what I'm doing.. Lets see how things go when you get a few thousand of them in your neighborhood. And you said you don't have the means? Guess what neither does the average American.. Many are struggling here to get by, last thing we need is refugees to suck up our tax dollars.
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I don't do handouts. I give you a job. Remember. I'm republican. Democrats do handouts.
In a hypothetical, if you were completely disbanded from your home and you and your family fled to a country who's culture is completely foreign to yours, how easy do you think it'd be to land a job?

You're assuming these people want to come here to mooch. They want to come here to try to have a life. Isn't your wife an immigrant? One would think you'd understand.

I don't even know why we're debating this. To answer your question of this thread "why should we even take one refugee", here's your answer:

It's illegal not to. The governors who are posturing are doing it for political brownie points with their constituents. Per the US Constitution, the Federal Government has authority over who should and shouldn't be allowed into the country.
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Defending my borders by doing what I can to keep them the fuck out. That's what I'm doing.. Lets see how things go when you get a few thousand of them in your neighborhood. And you said you don't have the means? Guess what neither does the average American.. Many are struggling here to get by, last thing we need is refugees to suck up our tax dollars.
Oh please. Americans don't know what "paying taxes" is like in the rest of the world.
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Why is it acceptable to force me to pay for some people I don't want here, who don't like me, to come here and put me, my family, and my neighbors at risk, but it's not acceptable to go there, kill the people who want to kill us, and let these people live in peace in their own homes?
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None, we would be supporting them because they will be on welfare.
We could attempt to have a program similar to what Germany and Mercedes Benz have, that I posted above. But like I said, that'd just piss off the lazy Americans.
Odd how you are so welcoming to foreign immigrants, but so negative about lazy Americans? This immigrant policy (throwing our doors open to support people from other countries) has created a permanent lower class in America. Illegal immigration has depressed wages, and government handouts ensure that there are a layer of jobs that "Americans won't do." Second generations of immigrants are largely unemployed, and living off the government dole.

How about we don't take the foreign immigrants, and use your largesse (with everyone else's money, btw) to fix the problems here - so you don't have to call your fellow Americans "lazy."
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Many are struggling here to get by, last thing we need is refugees to suck up our tax dollars.
No they aren't.

And I highly doubt many on this forum are. I'm supposed to feel sorry for the person who mounted $100k+ in student loan debt to get a degree in French History and now can't find a job but not the family who's home is torn apart by ISIS and civil unrest?
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Oh please. Americans don't know what "paying taxes" is like in the rest of the world.
Because we are not socialist fuck tarts that enjoy having about 50% of our pay sucked away.
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Oh please. Americans don't know what "paying taxes" is like in the rest of the world.
Because we aren't that dumb to elect people who tax us to death for too long. We get smart and elect a Republican to cut taxes, kick some ass, and make our economy grow. We know government doesn't solve the problem, it is the problem.
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I don't even know why we're debating this. To answer your question of this thread "why should we even take one refugee", here's your answer:

It's illegal not to. The governors who are posturing are doing it for political brownie points with their constituents. Per the US Constitution, the Federal Government has authority over who should and shouldn't be allowed into the country.[/QUOTE]




Here lies the powder keg. States forced, if you will, to take refugees will have those constituents lurking in the bushes.
The whereabouts of refugees will be exposed.

Force is a scary proposal.
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Unfortunately, I don't have the means.

I have written to my MP and MPP letting them know I am in favour of bringing more refugees in with the associated risks. I have gone out and bought kitchen sets, small appliances and warm clothes, out of my own pocket, for a couple new refugee families that had just arrived in Canada, and are now living in our neighbourhood.

I am helping, what are you doing?
Mighty. I applaud what you are doing. You are definitely in the minority. But, I do think your case is a microcosm of what a larger scale influx of what these refugees would look like. I am definitely a republican who have many of the same concerns as some of the others in this thread. No offense when I say this, but Canada didn't get hit with a 9/11 type of attack. So, you have to understand why Americans are not so keen on the idea given what just happened in Paris. Being that I live 20 miles from DC and ISIS just announced an attack; I don't think I'm ready to willingly accept people from Syria right now.
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I don't even know why we're debating this. To answer your question of this thread "why should we even take one refugee", here's your answer:

It's illegal not to. The governors who are posturing are doing it for political brownie points with their constituents. Per the US Constitution, the Federal Government has authority over who should and shouldn't be allowed into the country.
Here lies the powder keg. States forced, if you will, to take refugees will have those constituents lurking in the bushes.
The whereabouts of refugees will be exposed.

Force is a scary proposal.[/QUOTE]

Well they won't be "forced" to. States only really have one lever to pull. Make it a massive pain in the ass to get any assistance from the state, if you are willing to offer any at all.

So much for the famous American line, "Give Me Your Tired, Your Poor, Your Huddled Masses Yearning To Breathe Free".
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No they aren't.

And I highly doubt many on this forum are. I'm supposed to feel sorry for the person who mounted $100k+ in student loan debt to get a degree in French History and now can't find a job but not the family who's home is torn apart by ISIS and civil unrest?
Um, I am. I went from earning 300k a year to being laid off due to frank dodd with 40% unemployment rate in my profession. I was out for 2 years, used all my money and borrowed some to save my house, ran up credit cards, and now I'm making enough to pay the immediate bills and will be out of debt in 2 years. Thanks Obama.

Same story for my best friend who was doing the same job. We went from executives to nothing. He is in his 50s, had to sell everything and was working as an assistant house painter for 2 years after a 25 year financial career.
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So much for the famous American line, "Give Me Your Tired, Your Poor, Your Huddled Masses Yearning To Breathe Free".
Should be replaced with "Me First"
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I don't even know why we're debating this. To answer your question of this thread "why should we even take one refugee", here's your answer:

It's illegal not to. The governors who are posturing are doing it for political brownie points with their constituents. Per the US Constitution, the Federal Government has authority over who should and shouldn't be allowed into the country.
Here lies the powder keg. States forced, if you will, to take refugees will have those constituents lurking in the bushes.
The whereabouts of refugees will be exposed.

Force is a scary proposal.[/QUOTE]


This is why I like what Poland did.
1. Won't take in refugees unless they get a guarantee that they been truly vetted and wont post a risk.. Of course there is no real system in place that can do that because there really is no way of knowing who's who that is coming from Syria, and documents can easily be faked.

Option on Syrian Refugees:
2. Take able bodied male refugees and from them into an army to go fight to liberate Syria. And yes Poland did put their money where their mouth is on this one because that is how the 2nd Corps was created during WWII..
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Um, I am. I went from earning 300k a year to being laid off due to frank dodd with 40% unemployment rate in my profession. I was out for 2 years, used all my money and borrowed some to save my house, ran up credit cards, and now I'm making enough to pay the immediate bills and will be out of debt in 2 years. Thanks Obama.
Sucks to be you. Typical American in modern days. All of your successes, that's because of you. All of your failures? That's someone else's fault. I'm sure you did make good money making garbage mortgages and securities up until the crash.

Sorry your unsustainable gravy train derailed, that wasn't the government's fault. That's all on you. I got laid off during the crisis folks like you helped create too, unlike you, I didn't feel sorry for myself or blame the government, I got a new job making more money in two weeks. Although in a twist of irony, I used to do government contracting and we lost a major contract during the recession, so I guess in that I literally did lose my job because of the government.
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In a hypothetical, if you were completely disbanded from your home and you and your family fled to a country who's culture is completely foreign to yours, how easy do you think it'd be to land a job?

You're assuming these people want to come here to mooch. They want to come here to try to have a life. Isn't your wife an immigrant? One would think you'd understand.

I don't even know why we're debating this. To answer your question of this thread "why should we even take one refugee", here's your answer:

It's illegal not to. The governors who are posturing are doing it for political brownie points with their constituents. Per the US Constitution, the Federal Government has authority over who should and shouldn't be allowed into the country.
But, here's the problem. Where are the plans to get these people jobs? Is Obama pushing that down to the local level? If so, do these governors or mayors understand that plan? Who pays for this? Federal gov't or local states? The US population are completely in the dark. We can't just say, "Ok, everyone come over and assimilate into our society" without a plan. Where's the plan?
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Give Me Your Tired, Your Poor, Your Huddled Masses Yearning To Breathe Free is OK. But Give Me Your Tired, Your Poor, Your Huddled Masses Yearning To Kill Me is not.
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No they aren't.

And I highly doubt many on this forum are. I'm supposed to feel sorry for the person who mounted $100k+ in student loan debt to get a degree in French History and now can't find a job but not the family who's home is torn apart by ISIS and civil unrest?
Yes because everyone in America owns a luxury car and sits on E90post.
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