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      03-16-2016, 02:39 AM   #1167
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Any website based on Facts is going to be a liberal website because liberals actually care about facts and base their arguments and views on facts whereas conservatives rely on cable news talking points.
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I do income tax returns here in California, I wish more would discuss this, EARNED INCOME TAX CREDIT. Average tax refund for individuals with a child or two making between 10 thousand and 40 thousand a year 5000.00 to 9000.00 dollars and all they pay in is 7.65% to our social security system. And thats AFTER they pay in nothing! For if they pay in tax in most cases as withholding tax, they get most or all of that back.

I see married individuals that might make somewhere around 48000 claim that they are living apart and claim head of household with one of the children in the other spouse claims head of household with the other children and now each get $5,000 refund whereas if they were doing it legally and legitimately their income at $48,000 would not qualify them to become eligible for earned income credit I see it all the time.

These people have figured out how to get social security numbers, usually they are the illegal or birthright side, refunds are collectively in the billions nationwide. I just wish this would be discussed more. like I have said before these people coming across the border on trains on boats in Buses illegally are not scientists they start out in the minimum wage job force and they are ruining everything along the borders and its migrating more Northerly each day believe me Trump has the best idea to build the wall and for God sake make sure Mexico pays for it that should be very simple.
Just to be clear, Obama relaxed the rules on the EITC and Additional Child Tax Credit (ACTC). You no longer need a social security number to file your taxes - as an illegal you can use an ITIN. you can also now claim your kids that don't live in the US. There's of course no way for the IRS to verify where the kids love, or even if the kids even exist. The program fraud is off the charts - it was $4.1B several years ago, according to the OIG.

Gracias, Obama!!
At least this is true for ITIN numbers:

*You cannot claim EITC using an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN) or Adoption Taxpayer Identification Number (ATIN) issued by IRS.
Right, but illegals can claim the Additional Child Tax Credit of $1,000/kid. And no one checks to see if the kids even exist.

And the IRS isn't pursuing EITC or ACTC fraud. They are too busy investigating right-wing and religious organizations. And Lois Lerner got off Scot-free with that, with a government pension to boot.
Who is going to check these kids under Trump?
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I do income tax returns here in California, I wish more would discuss this, EARNED INCOME TAX CREDIT. Average tax refund for individuals with a child or two making between 10 thousand and 40 thousand a year 5000.00 to 9000.00 dollars and all they pay in is 7.65% to our social security system. And thats AFTER they pay in nothing! For if they pay in tax in most cases as withholding tax, they get most or all of that back.

I see married individuals that might make somewhere around 48000 claim that they are living apart and claim head of household with one of the children in the other spouse claims head of household with the other children and now each get $5,000 refund whereas if they were doing it legally and legitimately their income at $48,000 would not qualify them to become eligible for earned income credit I see it all the time.

These people have figured out how to get social security numbers, usually they are the illegal or birthright side, refunds are collectively in the billions nationwide. I just wish this would be discussed more. like I have said before these people coming across the border on trains on boats in Buses illegally are not scientists they start out in the minimum wage job force and they are ruining everything along the borders and its migrating more Northerly each day believe me Trump has the best idea to build the wall and for God sake make sure Mexico pays for it that should be very simple.
Just to be clear, Obama relaxed the rules on the EITC and Additional Child Tax Credit (ACTC). You no longer need a social security number to file your taxes - as an illegal you can use an ITIN. you can also now claim your kids that don't live in the US. There's of course no way for the IRS to verify where the kids love, or even if the kids even exist. The program fraud is off the charts - it was $4.1B several years ago, according to the OIG.

Gracias, Obama!!
At least this is true for ITIN numbers:

*You cannot claim EITC using an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN) or Adoption Taxpayer Identification Number (ATIN) issued by IRS.
Right, but illegals can claim the Additional Child Tax Credit of $1,000/kid. And no one checks to see if the kids even exist.

And the IRS isn't pursuing EITC or ACTC fraud. They are too busy investigating right-wing and religious organizations. And Lois Lerner got off Scot-free with that, with a government pension to boot.
Who is going to check these kids under Trump?
Hopefully we won't have illegals here in the first place, and hopefully the practice of letting people claim a tax refund without a social security number will end.
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"Factcheck.org" is absolutely a liberal website - it's run by the Annenberg Foundation, based in Chicago. For years the AF ran a program in Chicago public schools called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge.
Any website based on Facts is going to be a liberal website because liberals actually care about facts and base their arguments and views on facts whereas conservatives rely on cable news talking points.
Oh - okay - I didn't realize that. Wow - makes things so much clearer!
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Obama widened the program in 2009, extended it through 2012, and is now extended through 2017, despite the overwhelming fraud.

"Factcheck.org" is absolutely a liberal website - it's run by the Annenberg Foundation, based in Chicago. For years the AF ran a program in Chicago public schools called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. Both Obama and (terrorist) Bill Ayers sat on the board of the CAC (so much for Obama saying he didn't know Bill Ayers).

What was that about Fox News? Perhaps you should do your own fact checking.

Edit: I went back and re-read the factcheck link. They say what I was saying:

"Finally, President Obama├ó┬€┬™s 2009 stimulus measure made temporary changes that had the effect of allowing more parents to claim the refundable credits, or claim greater amounts. And the total grew the following year to the $4.2 billion cited by the IG. Those ├ó┬€┬œtemporary├ó┬€┬Ł changes now have been extended at least through 2012 by the bill Obama signed in December 2010..."

Although they don't tie the explosion of fraud to exactly what Obama did, and what Obama has extended. The article was written in May, 2012, and the subsequent extensions were floated after that.

You don't believe FactCheck, yet you quote them? And the point was that you were making this look like it was all Obamas fault when actually it was started under Bush.

And.. Fox hype again... The Annenberg Foundation was established by the publisher Walter Annenberg, a prominent Republican whose widow, Leonore, is a contributor to the McCain campaign.

"(FactCheck.org, which is nonpartisan, also receives funding from the Annenberg Foundation. But we are in no way connected to the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which finished its work long before we came into being in late 2003.)"

Finally, The Obama/Ayres/radical Chicago education rumor was started by John McCain and is groundless.. it was disproved years ago, unless you listen to the Fox network, Limbaugh, etc. There was no close or nefarious relationship between the two.


You can read the actual truth here

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"Reporters reviewing records in Chicago have so far found nothing startling in documents linking Sen. Barack Obama to 1960s radical William Ayers.

The UIC records show that Obama and Ayers attended board meetings, retreats and at least one news conference together as the education program got under way. The two continued to attend meetings together during the 1995-2001 operation of the program, records show. "
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Hopefully we won't have illegals here in the first place, and hopefully the practice of letting people claim a tax refund without a social security number will end.
If you believe that I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.

The thing with elections is that it's the same circus, different clowns.
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Any website based on Facts is going to be a liberal website because liberals actually care about facts and base their arguments and views on facts whereas conservatives rely on cable news talking points.
I'm having a Forrest Gumpish moment.
Do you mind if I borrow this for t-shirts and bumper stickers?
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I'm having a Forrest Gumpish moment.
Do you mind if I borrow this for t-shirts and bumper stickers?
That'd be a big ass t-shirt and bumper sticker.
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Obama widened the program in 2009, extended it through 2012, and is now extended through 2017, despite the overwhelming fraud.

"Factcheck.org" is absolutely a liberal website - it's run by the Annenberg Foundation, based in Chicago. For years the AF ran a program in Chicago public schools called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. Both Obama and (terrorist) Bill Ayers sat on the board of the CAC (so much for Obama saying he didn't know Bill Ayers).

What was that about Fox News? Perhaps you should do your own fact checking.

Edit: I went back and re-read the factcheck link. They say what I was saying:

"Finally, President Obama├ó┬€┬™s 2009 stimulus measure made temporary changes that had the effect of allowing more parents to claim the refundable credits, or claim greater amounts. And the total grew the following year to the $4.2 billion cited by the IG. Those ├ó┬€┬œtemporary├ó┬€┬Ł changes now have been extended at least through 2012 by the bill Obama signed in December 2010..."

Although they don't tie the explosion of fraud to exactly what Obama did, and what Obama has extended. The article was written in May, 2012, and the subsequent extensions were floated after that.

You don't believe FactCheck, yet you quote them? And the point was that you were making this look like it was all Obamas fault when actually it was started under Bush.

And.. Fox hype again... The Annenberg Foundation was established by the publisher Walter Annenberg, a prominent Republican whose widow, Leonore, is a contributor to the McCain campaign.

"(FactCheck.org, which is nonpartisan, also receives funding from the Annenberg Foundation. But we are in no way connected to the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which finished its work long before we came into being in late 2003.)"

Finally, The Obama/Ayres/radical Chicago education rumor was started by John McCain and is groundless.. it was disproved years ago, unless you listen to the Fox network, Limbaugh, etc. There was no close or nefarious relationship between the two.


You can read the actual truth here

And from Snoops.com

"Reporters reviewing records in Chicago have so far found nothing startling in documents linking Sen. Barack Obama to 1960s radical William Ayers.

The UIC records show that Obama and Ayers attended board meetings, retreats and at least one news conference together as the education program got under way. The two continued to attend meetings together during the 1995-2001 operation of the program, records show. "
I didn't discuss Bush vs. Obama at all.

The Ayers/Obama connection through the CAC has not been disproven at all; in fact, Obama funneled CAC money to ACORN and other groups through the CAC.

Annenberg was a conservative, who (stupidly) left a ton of money to Universities like UPenn and Brown. They were supposed to oversee its use for education improvement, but instead pushed the money through people like Ayers ($50M). In the CAC case, no money was given directly to schools - it had to go through a "community organizer" group like ACORN, who of course profited handsomely.

This was reportedly many sources, like the WSJ. But if you want to continue to cite Factcheck's claims of being independent, so be it.
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That'd be a big ass t-shirt and bumper sticker.
Smallish font except for FACTS. It will fit and will be darling.
Huge numbers of people will shell out the 14.99 and 2.99.
I'ma be rish.
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Smallish font except for FACTS. It will fit and will be darling.
Huge numbers of people will shell out the 14.99 and 2.99.
I'ma be rish.
Americans are smartafistasis.
I'll take two shirts. It'll actually probably make me fit in in smug Arlington.
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I'll take two shirts. It'll actually probably make me fit in in smug Arlington.
I'll have my website up as soon as the author of the post, of like forever and ever and the century and stuff, clears me to run with it.
I sense a royalty negotiator will be getting involved... damn it .
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Hopefully we won't have illegals here in the first place, and hopefully the practice of letting people claim a tax refund without a social security number will end.
Gosh....how Trump is going to magically round up/deport 9-11mm individuals would be quite a feat. What are his plans on how to get that done?


The IRS likely doesn't go after many of the EIC violators because it's not worth the man hours. The IRS gets the most bang for their/our buck, so to speak, by auditing/investigating multi-million dollar tax frauds. Not from getting $1000 back from some schmoe.
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Gosh....how Trump is going to magically round up/deport 9-11mm individuals would be quite a feat. What are his plans on how to get that done?


The IRS likely doesn't go after many of the EIC violators because it's not worth the man hours. The IRS gets the most bang for their/our buck, so to speak, by auditing/investigating multi-million dollar tax frauds. Not from getting $1000 back from some schmoe.
But that schmoe is taking all of our jobzzzz, don't you know that? Won't you please think of the JOBZZZZ!!!!!!
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Gosh....how Trump is going to magically round up/deport 9-11mm individuals would be quite a feat. What are his plans on how to get that done?
Free TV or Xbox giveaway stings would probably be good for a million or so.
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Gosh....how Trump is going to magically round up/deport 9-11mm individuals would be quite a feat. What are his plans on how to get that done?
Free TV or Xbox giveaway stings would probably be good for a million or so.
Eisenhower actually did and was successful doing it for the same reason as Trump.

"operation WETBACK"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operat...ck?wprov=sfla1
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You know the left is worried about trump when Forbes has a headline
"Vote for Cruz"
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Eisenhower actually did and was successful doing it for the same reason as Trump.

"operation WETBACK"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operat...ck?wprov=sfla1
You bring this up so casually. What are your opinions about the US citizens that were swept up in this as well?
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You bring this up so casually. What are your opinions about the US citizens that were swept up in this as well?
Or the ones that died en route.

Or the fact that most of these migrants were brought in during WWII to provide labor while everyone was at war.

Or the fact that it was completely unsuccessful in the mid-to-long run.
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Or the ones that died en route.

Or the fact that most of these migrants were brought in during WWII to provide labor while everyone was at war.

Or the fact that it was completely unsuccessful in the mid-to-long run.
But you don't understand other_evolved, the people they deported were BROWN. Don't you get it, we can't have brown people in the US. Folks like bbbbbmw can't handle anyone that has brown skin in THEIR country. They steal $2.45 trillion in welfare money, they took all of the jobzzzzz in his town, they made his life a living HELL don't you understand ... HELL ...

It doesn't matter if innocent people died, or US citizens were deported. We kept the brown people out of our country. Phwew thankfully "Operation Wetback" was a resounding success.
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