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      10-02-2015, 03:50 PM   #45
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I carry daily when I'm out of my house. I don't go anywhere that does not allows guns if I don't have to. In those cases I do not carry. I don't expect to ever have to use my side arm. But if I am in the vicinity of a active shooter and I can save at least one life, then my objective has paid off. The issue is to many people cower in conflict and expect laws to protect them. Criminals do not obey laws and that's what makes them criminals, so these "gun free zones" don't do shit but give idiots a false security that they are safe and that criminals will stay away. The only ones who stay away form these zones are people like myself who legally carry in the defense of others and my family. I do agree that its to easy for some to obtain a CPL/CWP. but between my time in service and that I work on my weapon proficiency almost weekly, I can trust myself and many others like me to defend the people in these situations. We cant afford to have a police officer on every corner, in every room. We got to rely on those who choose to defend one another and make sure those who we can trust can still do so.
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I carry daily when I'm out of my house. I don't go anywhere that does not allows guns if I don't have to. In those cases I do not carry. I don't expect to ever have to use my side arm. But if I am in the vicinity of a active shooter and I can save at least one life, then my objective has paid off. The issue is to many people cower in conflict and expect laws to protect them. Criminals do not obey laws and that's what makes them criminals, so these "gun free zones" don't do shit but give idiots a false security that they are safe and that criminals will stay away. The only ones who stay away form these zones are people like myself who legally carry in the defense of others and my family. I do agree that its to easy for some to obtain a CPL/CWP. but between my time in service and that I work on my weapon proficiency almost weekly, I can trust myself and many others like me to defend the people in these situations. We cant afford to have a police officer on every corner, in every room. We got to rely on those who choose to defend one another and make sure those who we can trust can still do so.
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I carry daily when I'm out of my house. I don't go anywhere that does not allows guns if I don't have to. In those cases I do not carry. I don't expect to ever have to use my side arm. But if I am in the vicinity of a active shooter and I can save at least one life, then my objective has paid off. The issue is to many people cower in conflict and expect laws to protect them. Criminals do not obey laws and that's what makes them criminals, so these "gun free zones" don't do shit but give idiots a false security that they are safe and that criminals will stay away. The only ones who stay away form these zones are people like myself who legally carry in the defense of others and my family. I do agree that its to easy for some to obtain a CPL/CWP. but between my time in service and that I work on my weapon proficiency almost weekly, I can trust myself and many others like me to defend the people in these situations. We cant afford to have a police officer on every corner, in every room. We got to rely on those who choose to defend one another and make sure those who we can trust can still do so.
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I carry daily when I'm out of my house. I don't go anywhere that does not allows guns if I don't have to. In those cases I do not carry. I don't expect to ever have to use my side arm. But if I am in the vicinity of a active shooter and I can save at least one life, then my objective has paid off. The issue is to many people cower in conflict and expect laws to protect them. Criminals do not obey laws and that's what makes them criminals, so these "gun free zones" don't do shit but give idiots a false security that they are safe and that criminals will stay away. The only ones who stay away form these zones are people like myself who legally carry in the defense of others and my family. I do agree that its to easy for some to obtain a CPL/CWP. but between my time in service and that I work on my weapon proficiency almost weekly, I can trust myself and many others like me to defend the people in these situations. We cant afford to have a police officer on every corner, in every room. We got to rely on those who choose to defend one another and make sure those who we can trust can still do so.
I'd never be able carry a policeman around on my belt either. lol

What's not funny is how the American people have forgotten that the police are reactionary. They typically don't stop crimes, they come after the crime and try and figure out who's to blame. Can't expect much more form them.

The only "gun free zones" i actually abide by are the ones that come with a criminal offense and the possibility of losing my right to own firearms. All others, where they will just ask you to leave if found out, i will carry anyway.
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The only "gun free zones" i actually abide by are the ones that come with a criminal offense and the possibility of losing my right to own firearms. All others, where they will just ask you to leave if found out, i will carry anyway.
Same, still carry when the few times a year I may go to the movies. In Washington its up to the colleges if you can carry so when I return this winter, I will be carrying legally.
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One more chance to take away guns from law abiding citizens and keep them in the hands of criminals and crazies. Way to go Obama. You go girl.
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But you didn't hear him say how just in this past weekend there were 4 murdered and 53 wounded by gun fire within Chicago city limits did you?

There will be more people killed in Chicago this year than in all the mass shootings since you've been alive.

Where is the outrage for those statistics?

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm..._medium=social
I do believe he wants to curb gun violence in general. Too bad it will never happen and shit like this will keep happening. We're the only advanced country with mass shootings and rampant gun related murders like this since we refuse to do shit about it. But hey, as Jeb Bush said, "stuff happens"
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One more chance to take away guns from law abiding citizens and keep them in the hands of criminals and crazies. Way to go Obama. You go girl.
Whether you like it or not the gun related murder rate is glaring proof that there needs to be gun control in this country.
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Whether you like it or not the gun related murder rate is glaring proof that there needs to be gun control in this country.
I think we need gun control based on gun related crime rate. So we look at demographic bteakdown of who overwhelmingly commits these crimes and apply gun control accordingly .. Theres your gun control. Happy?
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I think we need gun control based on gun related crime rate. So we look at demographic bteakdown of who overwhelmingly commits these crimes and apply gun control accordingly .. Theres your gun control. Happy?
No, not really. Thanks for asking though.
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I do believe he wants to curb gun violence in general. Too bad it will never happen and shit like this will keep happening. We're the only advanced country with mass shootings and rampant gun related murders like this since we refuse to do shit about it. But hey, as Jeb Bush said, "stuff happens"
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Whether you like it or not the gun related murder rate is glaring proof that there needs to be gun control in this country.
Whether you like it or not, if you take away the gun homicides related to gang and drug violence the US will have as low or lower gun homicide rates than the rest of the advanced countries, which still aren't really comparable to the US with it's diverse population.
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Didn't we do this gun control crap around 1994?
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Whether you like it or not, if you take away the gun homicides related to gang and drug violence the US will have as low or lower gun homicide rates than the rest of the advanced countries, which still aren't really comparable to the US with it's diverse population.
Why can't people just admit guns are a problem in this country? Yet we act so surprised when thousands are murdered every year by gun violence

Here's some numbers that contradict your claim

There were on average 15,500 homicides in the US between 2007-2011....the national gang center estimates that there were on average 2,000 gang homicides in that time frame

The CDC looked at high gang cities such as Oklahoma City, Long Beach, Oakland, and Newark....they found that there were 856 gang related homicides compared to 2,077 non gang homicides.

So even in high gang activity cities 71% of the murders were not gang related
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Didn't we do this gun control crap around 1994?
And 1929. And 1935. And 1938.
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I do believe he wants to curb gun violence in general. Too bad it will never happen and shit like this will keep happening. We're the only advanced country with mass shootings and rampant gun related murders like this since we refuse to do shit about it. But hey, as Jeb Bush said, "stuff happens"
We can't be that advanced a country when this kind of shit happens on a seemingly regular basis.
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Why can't people just admit guns are a problem in this country? Yet we act so surprised when thousands are murdered every year by gun violence

Here's some numbers that contradict your claim

There were on average 15,500 homicides in the US between 2007-2011....the national gang center estimates that there were on average 2,000 gang homicides in that time frame

The CDC looked at high gang cities such as Oklahoma City, Long Beach, Oakland, and Newark....they found that there were 856 gang related homicides compared to 2,077 non gang homicides.

So even in high gang activity cities 71% of the murders were not gang related
If there were a gun problem in this country we'd all be dead. But we aren't and thats because yesterday, there were 320,000,000 to 350,000,000 guns in this country that didn't kill anyone.

Are you as equally as quick to say that all muslims are terrorists because a infinitesimally small percentage of them are bent on killing non-muslims? Even our president comes on national news and tells us to not judge all muslims based on the actions of a few. Yes out the other side of his mouth and presumably yours, we're supposed to chastise millions of law abiding gun owners for the actions of a few?

Why can't people admit that guns are but an emotional hot button programed into the masses by the media and politicians with an agenda?


Real-time death toll for 2015:

Abortion: 819191
Heart Disease: 447534
Cancer: 432616
Tobacco: 262559
Obesity: 230302
Medical Errors: 157535
Stroke: 96721
Lower Respiratory Disease: 107231
Accident (unintentional): 94850
Hospital Associated Infection: 74267
Alcohol: 75017
Diabetes: 55386
Alzheimer's Disease: 63745
Influenza/Pneumonia: 40379
Kidney Failure: 32079
Blood Infection: 25104
Suicide: 29645
Drunk Driving: 25362
Unintentional Poisoning: 23824
All Drug Abuse: 18758
Homicide: 12602
Prescription Drug Overdose: 11253
Murder by gun: 8622
Texting while Driving: 4510
Pedestrian: 3765
Drowning: 2948
Fire Related: 2636
Malnutrition: 2087
Domestic Violence: 1099
Shot by Police: 831
Smoking in Bed: 587
Falling out of Bed: 450
Killed by Falling Tree: 112
Struck by Lightning: 62
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I just have to laugh at the thought of getting rid of guns. We also have a huge drug problem here. However no matter how many they get off the street people have no problem getting them. So if we take guns away from the law abiding citizen then the ONLY ones that will have them are the criminals. SURE THAT MAKES SENSE. Our president is really great at telling us how bad guns are. However how many does he have guarding him and his entire family around the clock?
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I just have to laugh at the thought of getting rid of guns. We also have a huge drug problem here. However no matter how many they get off the street people have no problem getting them. So if we take guns away from the law abiding citizen then the ONLY ones that will have them are the criminals. SURE THAT MAKES SENSE. Our president is really great at telling us how bad guns are. However how many does he have guarding him and his entire family around the clock?
No one ever said to get rid of guns. Gun control does not equate to getting rid of them, it means better background checks, registration of gun purchases, limiting people having military spec AR 15's, etc....
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If there were a gun problem in this country we'd all be dead. But we aren't and thats because yesterday, there were 320,000,000 to 350,000,000 guns in this country that didn't kill anyone.

Are you as equally as quick to say that all muslims are terrorists because a infinitesimally small percentage of them are bent on killing non-muslims? Even our president comes on national news and tells us to not judge all muslims based on the actions of a few. Yes out the other side of his mouth and presumably yours, we're supposed to chastise millions of law abiding gun owners for the actions of a few?

Why can't people admit that guns are but an emotional hot button programed into the masses by the media and politicians with an agenda?


Real-time death toll for 2015:

Abortion: 819191
Heart Disease: 447534
Cancer: 432616
Tobacco: 262559
Obesity: 230302
Medical Errors: 157535
Stroke: 96721
Lower Respiratory Disease: 107231
Accident (unintentional): 94850
Hospital Associated Infection: 74267
Alcohol: 75017
Diabetes: 55386
Alzheimer's Disease: 63745
Influenza/Pneumonia: 40379
Kidney Failure: 32079
Blood Infection: 25104
Suicide: 29645
Drunk Driving: 25362
Unintentional Poisoning: 23824
All Drug Abuse: 18758
Homicide: 12602
Prescription Drug Overdose: 11253
Murder by gun: 8622
Texting while Driving: 4510
Pedestrian: 3765
Drowning: 2948
Fire Related: 2636
Malnutrition: 2087
Domestic Violence: 1099
Shot by Police: 831
Smoking in Bed: 587
Falling out of Bed: 450
Killed by Falling Tree: 112
Struck by Lightning: 62
Mass Shooting: 43
Spontaneous Combustion: 0
Gimme a break....we're talking about murders here, not just deaths. 75% of murders are committed by GUNS

And for your stats up there, how many of those 29k suicides were committed by guns I wonder?

I grew up around guns, my father is a gunsmith and lifetime member of the NRA, but it's easy for me to recognize that gun violence is a problem in this country. The US gun murder rate is around 20 times the average than any other developed country, but that's just all hunky dory in your eyes? Stuff happens right?
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No one ever said to get rid of guns. Gun control does not equate to getting rid of them, it means better background checks, registration of gun purchases, limiting people having military spec AR 15's, etc....
If that was all they wanted it would be great. The long term agenda is to get rid of them. I completely agree with background checks. However as long as guns are available the criminals will get them.
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If that was all they wanted it would be great. The long term agenda is to get rid of them. I completely agree with background checks. However as long as guns are available the criminals will get them.
I don't see anyone's agenda being to completely get rid of guns, that's just a fictional exaggeration the NRA likes to promote. Every country has criminals, yet we don't see the insane gun violence that we see here. 70-80% of murders are committed by non gang members, so it's not just something to blame on the criminal element
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Let me start of by saying I own a few guns. I think getting rid of guns completely would definitely lower murder rates, after all this is America, and we are lazy sobs. Guns are very efficient at killing people, you don't even have to get close to them. You could kill someone without even getting off the couch. So yeah if you get rid of ALL guns then I do think murder rates will go down because some of those people just wont bother with the alternative tools for killing or they will just be unsuccessful at it.

That being said I think it is pretty much logistically and politically impossible to get rid of ALL guns in this country. Therefore anything other than removal of ALL guns is pretty much just lipstick on a pig. I don't even know why it's still brought up every single time one of these shootings goes down.
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