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      11-19-2015, 03:10 PM   #155
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According to the NY times, and many other news outlets, the intelligence community was informing President Obama that ISIS was serious threat as early as 2013, certainly before he made his JV comment:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/30/wo...reat.html?_r=0

And, the President's comment was not implying that ISIS would grow into a bigger threat in the future; it was that he didn't think they were a serious threat at all.
Im not speaking for the president. Im stating my personal opinion.

Since I apparently need to spell it out, I am saying that JV teams grow into something stronger. It was a slight against how stupid and shortsighted the comment from Obama was.
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Learned something new. If the allegations are true, then this administration is more spineless than I thought. I always got the impression that his administration was arrogant and tended to be full of "yes men", but this is much, much worse. Altering intelligence for political purposes is just abhorrent.

Thanks for sharing.
Same here. I apparently missed this entire thing when it happened.

I wonder if any of it will be linked directly back to the president, or if it was isolated to people in the intelligence community. Though either way its a culture issue in the administration which falls back onto the president.
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Same here. I apparently missed this entire thing when it happened.

I wonder if any of it will be linked directly back to the president, or if it was isolated to people in the intelligence community. Though either way its a culture issue in the administration which falls back onto the president.

Even running on multiple agencies, left right and in between, it was seemingly buried asap.
I'm not pointing the dirty end of the stick at our president because of his color, religion or personal life.
I'm calling him a dirty sob because it fits.
His DOJ is an atrocity. When Justice becomes a unit specializing in hiding and burying...Houston, we have a problem.
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His DOJ is an atrocity. When Justice becomes a unit specializing in hiding and burying...Houston, we have a problem.
What's wrong with losing guns in Mexico and them ending up in the hands of Mexican cartels?
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What's wrong with losing guns in Mexico and them ending up in the hands of Mexican cartels?
I guess they were just Too Fast and Furious for the ATF.
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What's wrong with losing guns in Mexico and them ending up in the hands of Mexican cartels?
The stink of this administration is stacked like firewood.
Where does one start? How do you investigate and possibly prosecute when everyone's on leashes?

The FBI is my last hope.
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And...he's a psy.

Rant part XV complete.
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His DOJ is an atrocity. When Justice becomes a unit specializing in hiding and burying...Houston, we have a problem.
What's wrong with losing guns in Mexico and them ending up in the hands of Mexican cartels?
At least he didn't use the IRS to persecute his political enemies and reward his friends....

BTW - the DOJ has dropped all prosecution of the IRS and Lois Lerner.
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So Obama says we have as much to worry about with the Syrian refugees as we do tourists. I live in Orlando. Haven't seen tourists strap on suicide bombs. Worst I've seen is the British tourists stampede the aloe section after spending the day on the beach.
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At least he didn't use the IRS to persecute his political enemies and reward his friends....

BTW - the DOJ has dropped all prosecution of the IRS and Lois Lerner.
That was so blatant. Don't get me wrong, I hate all super pacs and the citizens united ruling... I guess they stalled long enough for it not to matter.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/11/us...dits.html?_r=0
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Um were discussing payng to have or not Syrian refugees with a high probably of being terrorists move into your neighborhood. Let's get back on message.
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Um were discussing payng to have or not Syrian refugees with a high probably of being terrorists move into your neighborhood. Let's get back on message.
Yes. Because the majority of brown people's stated motivation in life is to kill me
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What's with the brown people bs. You don't know my or my families color do you. If anyone is the enemy of brown people, it's the Democrats. Unemployment way up, wages, net worth disparity, shackling them to government assistance programs instead of giving them jobs. That's in the US. And the Holocaust happening to moderate Muslims and Arab Christians, chalk all that up to the current administration. Sorry. That argument doesn't hold water here. Really, it's sadly an ignorant argument parroting a false narrative to attempt to remain in power so you can continue to destroy the capitalism that is the one thing that made this country great and enabled it to help the rest of the world in countless situations.

Notice I also condemned the Ira earlier. Guess those irish are considered brown too.
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What's with the brown people bs. You don't know my or my families color do you. If anyone is the enemy of brown people, it's the Democrats. Unemployment way up, wages, net worth disparity, shackling them to government assistance programs instead of giving them jobs. That's in the US. And the Holocaust happening to moderate Muslims and Arab Christians, chalk all that up to the current administration. Sorry. That argument doesn't hold water here. Really, it's sadly an ignorant argument parroting a false narrative to attempt to remain in power so you can continue to destroy the capitalism that is the one thing that made this country great and enabled it to help the rest of the world in countless situations.

Notice I also condemned the Ira earlier. Guess those irish are considered brown too.


You called the majority of Syrians killers and terrorists. I was pointing out how racist and without merit that statement is.

It has nothing to do with you or your family.


So I can continue to remain in power? I'm a photographer. I have no power. I just happen to know the result of turning away refugees. Its why most of my family is from Israel.
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Same here. I apparently missed this entire thing when it happened.

I wonder if any of it will be linked directly back to the president, or if it was isolated to people in the intelligence community. Though either way its a culture issue in the administration which falls back onto the president.
Maybe this will help with your question. Aired yesterday.
Who's he protecting, us or them?


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You called the majority of Syrians killers and terrorists. I was pointing out how racist and without merit that statement is.

It has nothing to do with you or your family.


So I can continue to remain in power? I'm a photographer. I have no power. I just happen to know the result of turning away refugees. Its why most of my family is from Israel.
1. Lol no I didn't. Not even close. The 1% that is anot Islamic radical, that's the problem. Most are poor victims my heart goes out to.

2. Yes it does have everything to do with me and my family. And you and yours too. I'm a frequent visitor to disney, a huge target I would guess for this bs.

3. Instead of being a pussy and turning them away, why not kill the problem? If you have a wolf killing your sheep, do you put your sheep in your house or kill the wolf? Especially if the wolf can look like a sheep?

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You called the majority of Syrians killers and terrorists. I was pointing out how racist and without merit that statement is.

It has nothing to do with you or your family.


So I can continue to remain in power? I'm a photographer. I have no power. I just happen to know the result of turning away refugees. Its why most of my family is from Israel.
my family is from israel as well but you cant really compare the syrian refugee crisis with the jewish refugee crisis in ww2. jews where not trying to sneak into the us to carry out terror attacks. also, at the time jews did not have a homeland to take them in. there are a bunch of wealthy muslim states in the ME that have more than enough resources to take care of all of these refugees but they choose not to.

not only that, our president is doing everything in his power to not thoroughly vet these refugees.
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my family is from israel as well but you cant really compare the syrian refugee crisis with the jewish refugee crisis in ww2. jews where not trying to sneak into the us to carry out terror attacks. also, at the time jews did not have a homeland to take them in. there are a bunch of wealthy muslim states in the ME that have more than enough resources to take care of all of these refugees but they choose not to.

not only that, our president is doing everything in his power to not thoroughly vet these refugees.
I thought the refugees were still being vetted (avg time about two years and probably enough paperwork to almost deter any refugees, I imagine a DMV...on steroids). I believe Republicans passed a bill since they want to do MORE (strangely enough, the bill was never debated on at the House floor nor were any amendments allowed) meanwhile the WH maintains that the vetting process is already sufficient, hence the threat of veto.
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I thought the refugees were still being vetted (avg time about two years and probably enough paperwork to almost deter any refugees, I imagine a DMV...on steroids). I believe Republicans passed a bill since they want to do MORE (strangely enough, the bill was never debated on at the House floor nor were any amendments allowed) meanwhile the WH maintains that the vetting process is already sufficient, hence the threat of veto.
a nice amount of democrats are also in favor of the bill. my position is that if we can have the chance to minimize or eliminate the risk of attacks, why wouldnt we?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/19/politi...earings-obama/
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I thought the refugees were still being vetted (avg time about two years and probably enough paperwork to almost deter any refugees, I imagine a DMV...on steroids). I believe Republicans passed a bill since they want to do MORE (strangely enough, the bill was never debated on at the House floor nor were any amendments allowed) meanwhile the WH maintains that the vetting process is already sufficient, hence the threat of veto.
They can't be vetted. There is no way. The vetting process they are relying on is if the Greeks say they're OK. There is no database for them. If they haven't been put onto a grid we have access to there is nothing. Akso, Syria is corrupt issuing real passports with false info. No way to check or vet any of them.
Director of FBI, Director of CIA, an director or military version of CIA called DIA have all said it's impossible. Only the deputy director of Homeland Security says it's fine, but he won't say what they are doing, which is what I detailed above.

Also maybe they need to file paperwork for 2 years to be citizens, but this isn't vetting, and we stop watching them after 90 days. I don't think the terrorist ones are going to worry about waiting 2 years to become citizens.
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They can't be vetted. There is no way. The vetting process they are relying on is if the Greeks say they're OK. There is no database for them. If they haven't been put onto a grid we have access to there is nothing. Akso, Syria is corrupt issuing real passports with false info. No way to check or vet any of them.
Director of FBI, Director of CIA, an director or military version of CIA called DIA have all said it's impossible. Only the deputy director of Homeland Security says it's fine, but he won't say what they are doing, which is what I detailed above.

Also maybe they need to file paperwork for 2 years to be citizens, but this isn't vetting, and we stop watching them after 90 days. I don't think the terrorist ones are going to worry about waiting 2 years to become citizens.
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The approval rate for refugees seeking asylum in the United States currently stands at just over 50 percent, senior administration officials said. The process for obtaining refugee status in the United States typically takes 18 to 24 months.

About 1,800 Syrian refugees have entered the U.S. in the past year. So far, only about 2 percent of the Syrian refugees entering the United States are single men of "combat age." Roughly half of the Syrian refugees are children, and 2.5 percent are adults over 60.

Refugees --- from any nation -- are accepted only "after subjecting them to the most rigorous screening and security vetting of any traveler to the United States," a senior administration official said.

The process for any refugee begins with the processing of biographic information (such as an applicant's name and date of birth) and biometric information (such as fingerprints). The information is checked against databases in several different U.S. agencies including the FBI, the State Department and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).

If an applicant has applied for an overseas visa in the past, their biometric information should be on record. It can be used to ensure that the applicant has had a consistent story about the circumstances that prompted them to seek asylum.

After that, applicants go through a lengthy, in-person interview process overseas. The interviews are conducted by specially-trained DHS officers who spend at least eight weeks learning skills like how to question applicants and test their credibility. These adjudicators receive special training for interviewing refugees from Iraq or Syria.

Currently, the U.S. is interviewing Syrian refugee applicants in Amman, Jordan, Istanbul, Turkey, and in Cairo, Egypt. Interviews will soon be conducted in Lebanon and a few other locations.

One senior administration official told reporters that the U.S. has benefitted from its "years of experience" vetting Iraqi refugees. Since that large-scale program started in 2007, the vetting process has become more robust.

Going back even further than that, senior administration officials pointed out that government agencies like the State Department and the Pentagon have been refining and enhancing the degree to which they share information since the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.

"We're constantly refining the process," one official said.

Even so, government leaders have acknowledged the system is far from perfect.

"We did discover in people who have come in as refugees from Iraq a number of people of serious concern," FBI Director James Comey told the House Judiciary Committee last month, "including two charged when we found their fingerprints on improvised explosive devices."

Comey added, "There's no doubt that was the product of a less-than-excellent vetting that had been done on Iraqi refugees."

"We have improved dramatically our ability as an interagency -- all parts of the U.S. government -- to query and check people," he continued. However, "Our ability to touch data with respect to people who may come from Syria may be limited... The data we had available to us from Iraq from our folks being there... is richer than the data we have from Syria."

On Tuesday, Attorney General Loretta Lynch acknowledged to the same House committee that "certainly there are challenges to this process."

However, she continued, "We do have the benefit of having that robust screening process in place -- a process that Europe has not been able to set up."

Since the U.S. can't rely on the Syrian government to check things like an applicant's criminal history, the U.S. relies on what they learn from interviews for that information.

A senior administration official told reporters that "there is intelligence on refugee populations including, Syrian refugees," that can help in the vetting process.

And while many refugees seeking asylum in the U.S. don't have proper documentation like birth certificates, a senior administration official told reporters that "Iraqis and Syrians tend to be a very heavily documented population." Families seeking asylum can often produce passports or military registration forms, the official said.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-is-...tting-process/

More info on the process:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-vet-syrian-r/

They never said it was impossible. What the FBI Director DID say was that it's impossible to vet every single Syrian refugee...which is a statement of the obvious.

While we're quoting the FBI director:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/19/politi...ion/index.html

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FBI Director James Comey has deep concerns about pending House legislation that would require him and other top national security officials to personally certify that each refugee from Syria and Iraq isn't a security threat, two U.S. officials tell CNN.

Comey has told administration and congressional officials that the legislation would make it impossible to allow any refugees into the U.S., and could even affect the ability of travelers from about three dozen countries that are allowed easier travel to the U.S. under the visa waiver program, the officials say.

There are always risks in allowing any foreigners into the U.S., Comey told the officials, adding that the FBI believes it has an effective process with intelligence and other agencies to conduct vetting of refugees.

Comey's stance, which sway how lawmakers deal with the legislation, which the White House has threatened to veto, echoes remarks from Department of Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson.

He also criticized the House legislation, which was proposed by the chairman of the House Committee on Homeland Security, Republican Rep. Mike McCaul of Texas.

"This bill that has been posed by Mr. McCaul -- and I like Mr. McCaul -- is a bad bill because it seeks to micromanage the process in a way that is counter productive to national security to our humanitarian obligation and the overall ability to focus on Homeland Security," Johnson said.
Comey has also admitted that, unsurprisingly, nothing is perfect and vetting is no exception, but they believe what they have in place is sound.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-is-...tting-process/

More info on the process:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-vet-syrian-r/

They never said it was impossible. What the FBI Director DID say was that it's impossible to vet every single Syrian refugee...which is a statement of the obvious.

While we're quoting the FBI director:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/19/politi...ion/index.html



Comey has also admitted that, unsurprisingly, nothing is perfect and vetting is no exception, but they believe what they have in place is sound.
I'm sure they also thought what they had was sound with the Boston Bomber family, and the Idaho bomber family, and the guy that shot the four marine recruiters in Tennessee, and on and on. The administration has been an abject failure on the vetting process - as was the Bush administration before. How stupid does the government think we are, to accept that "they have a sound vetting process?"
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