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      02-12-2016, 06:16 AM   #67
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Did anyone watch the dems debate? I made it about 25 minutes. The debate itself didn't cause me to turn it off. I couldn't stop seeing a talking bottle of mustard.
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I said it before, Bernie just wants to take more of our money and waste it.. Our government is already a failure and he just wants to expend it and throw more money at it.
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I said it before, Bernie just wants to take more of our money and waste it.. Our government is already a failure and he just wants to expend it and throw more money at it.
Here's the question I have yet to hear.

"Mr. Sanders, how would your plan, that is different from anything America has ever seen, be effectively implemented in just four years?"
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I said it before, Bernie just wants to take more of our money and waste it.. Our government is already a failure and he just wants to expend it and throw more money at it.
Here's the question I have yet to hear.

"Mr. Sanders, how would your plan, that is different from anything America has ever seen, be effectively implemented in just four years?"
I would look towards my predecessor and see the great things that he accomplished in his 8 years
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I would look towards my predecessor and see the great things that he accomplished in his 8 years
Excellent point. Following such an accomplished presidency is going to be tough for anyone.
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Did anyone watch the dems debate? I made it about 25 minutes. The debate itself didn't cause me to turn it off. I couldn't stop seeing a talking bottle of mustard.
I'm fairly sure that jacket had a ripcord that would cause it to inflate into a massive ball, which she could just roll out in if things got tough.
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I would look towards my predecessor and see the great things that he accomplished in his 8 years
Excellent point. Following such an accomplished presidency is going to be tough for anyone.
If by accomplished you mean; a joke of a healthcare system, a diminished military and foreign position, and an higher tension between his own race than has ever existed... then yes, I agree.
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      02-12-2016, 08:09 AM   #74
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If by accomplished you mean; a joke of a healthcare system, a diminished military and foreign position, and an higher tension between his own race than has ever existed... then yes, I agree.
None of that is what I meant.
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If by accomplished you mean; a joke of a healthcare system, a diminished military and foreign position, and an higher tension between his own race than has ever existed... then yes, I agree.
None of that is what I meant.
Look here is the thing... if you can state 3 Obama accomplishments that directly relate to the economy or foreign affairs, then you get a gold star... please skip the bs social crap.
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Look here is the thing... if you can state 3 Obama accomplishments that directly relate to the economy or foreign affairs, then you get a gold star... please skip the bs social crap.
The strengthening and acceleration of the overall influence and efficacy of ISIS in the middle east.

Giving ISIS time to establish governmental practices in their conquered territories.

Presiding over a reduction in mean household wealth in the US.

Can I get a gold star?
Please??
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Did anyone watch the dems debate? I made it about 25 minutes. The debate itself didn't cause me to turn it off. I couldn't stop seeing a talking bottle of mustard.
12 minutes here. When HRC talks my brain seizes up and my eyes cross. I couldn't sustain it any longer.

She is so disingenuous that I can't abide listening to her much longer than that. Seriously.
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The strengthening and acceleration of the overall influence and efficacy of ISIS in the middle east.

Giving ISIS time to establish governmental practices in their conquered territories.

Presiding over a reduction in mean household wealth in the US.

Can I get a gold star?
Please??
He is googling away like crazy now and I can already predict a few results-

1. Gas Prices - Obama 100% lowered them
2. With GW's leadership... how could Obummer do anything?

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I'll take Sanders over Clinton. Clinton comes across as conniving, untrustworthy and deceitful to me.
'I'll take Sanders over Clinton. Clinton is conniving, untrustworthy and deceitful.'

There.
I fixed it for you.
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Look here is the thing... if you can state 3 Obama accomplishments that directly relate to the economy or foreign affairs, then you get a gold star... please skip the bs social crap.
So, what you're saying is that only the issues that YOU care about are relevant?

Anyway..
  • Turned around one of the worst financial crises in history.
  • Got Bin Laden
  • Iran Deal
  • Record levels of job growth
  • 2/3 reduction in the Federal deficit

We good now?
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He is googling away like crazy now and I can already predict a few results-

1. Gas Prices - Obama 100% lowered them
2. With GW's leadership... how could Obummer do anything?

So true!!
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He is googling away like crazy now and I can already predict a few results-

1. Gas Prices - Obama 100% lowered them
2. With GW's leadership... how could Obummer do anything?

Are you 12?
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Look here is the thing... if you can state 3 Obama accomplishments that directly relate to the economy or foreign affairs, then you get a gold star... please skip the bs social crap.
So, what you're saying is that only the issues that YOU care about are relevant?

Anyway..
  • Turned around one of the worst financial crises in history.
  • Got Bin Laden
  • Iran Deal
  • Record levels of job growth
  • 2/3 reduction in the Federal deficit

We good now?
Sure we are good except there is only 1 problem... only the nuclear deal can be directly attributed to him.
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So, what you're saying is that only the issues that YOU care about are relevant?

Anyway..
  • Turned around one of the worst financial crises in history.
  • Got Bin Laden
  • Iran Deal
  • Record levels of job growth
  • 2/3 reduction in the Federal deficit

We good now?
WRONG. Extended.

Please NEVER FORGET. Where did he go to school? He is part of what we call, 'The CEO MAFIA'. Good banks failed, WAMu is an example of this, and bad actors thrived, see AIG. They coined the term, 'too big to fail' to protect their cronies. Each of those losers should have been allowed to fail and their assets sold off for 8 cents on the dollar and their criminal leadership sent to the salt mines. This is part of the normal economic cycle.

Don't get me started on this crap. I can turn this forum inside-out with this information.

Cheers-mk
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Sure we are good except there is only 1 problem... only the nuclear deal can be directly attributed to him.
I see no problem, so we're good.
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So, what you're saying is that only the issues that YOU care about are relevant?

Anyway..
  • Turned around one of the worst financial crises in history.
  • Got Bin Laden
  • Iran Deal
  • Record levels of job growth
  • 2/3 reduction in the Federal deficit

We good now?
Before I even begin, right of the bat I also hated Bush
Now as far as Obama
We are now in a new financial crises and this is on his watch.
Our intel agencies and the military did that.. It just happened to be on his watch, does not mean he deserves credit.
Iran Deal aka Raw Deal
Record level of "would you like fires with that" job growth. Most of the jobs are low paying service industry jobs.
Cannot comment on the last one not sure what the deficit was before he came in.
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Before I even begin, right of the bat I also hated Bush
I can't decide whether he is the worst president in history or just the worst since Buchanan.

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We are now in a new financial crises and this is on his watch.
Meh. This is the same one that gets ginned up every election cycle.

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Our intel agencies and the military did that.. It just happened to be on his watch, does not mean he deserves credit.
Commander In Chief, buck stops on his desk. He gets the blame when it goes bad, and the credit when it goes good. At least he did not take his eye off the ball like shrub did.

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Record level of "would you like fires with that" job growth. Most of the jobs are low paying service industry jobs.
That was going to be the case no matter who did what. The shift away from manufacturing and towards service has been going on since Reagan.

On the topic of jobs: I keep saying this, maybe it's just around here where I live, but there is more road and bridge construction going on than I can remember seeing in a long while. Local, state, federal roads and bridges, all being built, widened, renovated, replaced. Those are tough physical jobs to be sure, but McJobs they ain't. They pay well. Obama doesn't get full credit for that either, it started too early in his tenure. But it has not let up so somebody has been doing something right for 8 years.

Now back to our regularly scheduled rant fest.
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So, what you're saying is that only the issues that YOU care about are relevant?

Anyway..
  • Turned around one of the worst financial crises in history.
  • Got Bin Laden
  • Iran Deal
  • Record levels of job growth
  • 2/3 reduction in the Federal deficit

We good now?
how can you possibly consider the iran deal a win?

we basically just gave billions of dollars to one of the, if not the biggest, funders of terrorism in the world who have openly stated they would like us all dead.
dont even get me started on the joke of the "inspections" that the iran has to "abide" by
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