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      02-03-2017, 10:19 AM   #287
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Hasn't banned you guys from the roads yet. Clearly keeping you safe is not a priority to him.

A miss!
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Hasn't banned you guys from the roads yet. Clearly keeping you safe is not a priority to him.

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Hasn't banned you guys from the roads yet. Clearly keeping you safe is not a priority to him.

A miss!
Deaths from traffic crashes don't USUALLY involve "intent".

Stricter laws for enforcement/penalties/fines and requiring a more extensive criteria in order to obtain a D.L. would potential cause theses numbers to decline. Although, anyone can purchase a motor vehicle without a D.L.

Unfortunately, driving in the USA is probably considered a RIGHT vs Privilege nowadays.
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Deaths from traffic crashes don't USUALLY involve "intent".

Stricter laws for enforcement/penalties/fines and requiring a more extensive criteria in order to obtain a D.L. would potential cause theses numbers to decline. Although, anyone can purchase a motor vehicle without a D.L.

Unfortunately, driving in the USA is probably considered a RIGHT vs Privilege nowadays.
Still kills a bit more than terrorists, if we forget the massacre of Bowling Green, which was a horrible incident.
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Still kills a bit more than terrorists,
Correct!
But rarely is " intent" involved. Most deaths are results of drivers with poor situational awareness, impaired driving due to drugs/alcohol, lack of proper training courses....etc.


MOST people don't get in a vehicle and think about going out to kill others with that vehicle.
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MOST people don't get in a vehicle and think about going out to kill others with that vehicle.

Hehe, where is that video about the guy who took his SUV and rammed it into the BLM protestors? SMH.
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But rarely is " intent" involved. Most deaths are results of drivers with poor situational awareness, impaired driving due to drugs/alcohol, lack of proper training courses....etc.


MOST people don't get in a vehicle and think about going out to kill others with that vehicle.
I know, I heard while the terrorists tried to escape from Bowling Green Massacre, they ran over a group of seniors who were just walking to Church.
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Hehe, where is that video about the guy who took his SUV and rammed it into the BLM protestors? SMH.
This one?

http://m.kfvs12.com/kfvs12/pm_/conte...id=od:ljLCZX0Y
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I know, I heard while the terrorists tried to escape from Bowling Green Massacre, they ran over a group of seniors who were just walking to Church.
Hahahhahahh...

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Hahahhahahh...

Good one.
that woman seriously pisses me off. She makes us all look bad, especially in a country where a woman has to really push to make it, and she gets her position because she is an excellent liar. It pisses me off how she just brushes it off like Trump does and doesn't even care that we all know they lie. It's like they are training us not to care.

A fun conversation, and thanks for being the first republican who appreciated my joke.

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that woman seriously pisses me off. She makes us all look bad, especially in a country where a woman has to really push to make it, and she gets her position because she is an excellent liar. It pisses me off how she just brushes it off like Trump does and doesn't even care that we all know they lie. It's like they are training us not to care.

A fun conversation, and thanks for being the first republican who appreciated my joke.

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Srsly? At worst the woman misspoke. There was terrorist activity in BG.

Then again, maybe she was just taking a page from Obama. He loved to makes stuff up to support himself.

Obama says decision to revoke insurance led to Illinois man's death.
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Srsly? At worst the woman misspoke. There was terrorist activity in BG.

Then again, maybe she was just taking a page from Obama. He loved to makes stuff up to support himself.

Obama says decision to revoke insurance led to Illinois man's death.
Nobody uses the word massacre if not selling. I fucking hate bitches, they make horrible cunts down the line. You can quote my age old wisdom on the agjng of women, though not to their faces.
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Srsly? At worst the woman misspoke. There was terrorist activity in BG.
There was, but none of it involved anyone in Bowling Green. Their terrorism charges stemmed from their attempts to send money and weapons to Iraq to help al Qaeda fight US soldiers there.

As for the Obama thing, maybe she should just try being honest or at a minimum get her facts straight before going to the press, especially given the scrutiny she's under. Someone else's past missteps doesn't forgive current missteps.
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And Obama just making stuff up to sell the ACA was any different how?

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As for the Obama thing, maybe she should just try being honest or at a minimum get her facts straight before going to the press, especially given the scrutiny she's under. Someone else's past missteps doesn't forgive current missteps.
Absolutely - but y'all gave Obama a pass on it, why can't Conway get one? I'm not defending Conway so much as pointing out how dumb y'all look by making it an issue.

The whole situation is hilarious to me.

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Absolutely - but y'all gave Obama a pass on it, why can't Conway get one? I'm not defending Conway so much as pointing out how dumb y'all look by making it an issue.

The whole situation is hilarious to me.

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I don't recall really giving him a pass on his BS...especially when he told me I could keep my fucking health insurance plan.

I also gave him shit about the whole "line in the sand" thing about Syria. That wasn't really a "lie" per se but an empty threat.
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I don't recall really giving him a pass on his BS...especially when he told me I could keep my fucking health insurance plan.

I also gave him shit about the whole "line in the sand" thing about Syria. That wasn't really a "lie" per se but an empty threat.
I remember saying many nasty things about him not being assertive enough with neo nazis, and for letting the culture of separating races go on. And let's face it, his environmental politics were shit, but he had one. That's like complimenting my mother for being fertile. yes she was, but results also count.
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I don't recall really giving him a pass on his BS...especially when he told me I could keep my fucking health insurance plan.

I also gave him shit about the whole "line in the sand" thing about Syria. That wasn't really a "lie" per se but an empty threat.
He didn't need a pass. It was a completely different approach to a very specific problem. Obama did not ban Iraq refugees from entering the United States. Iraqi refugees entered the US in every single month in 2011.

The Obama administration also retrospectively reviewed refugees already settled in the United States.

I am not going to rehash these points copy and paste it is.

1. Much narrower focus: The [2011 Iraqi "ban"] applied to citizens of a single country (Iraq) and then only to refugees and applicants for Special Immigrant Visas (SIVs), created by Congress to help Iraqis (and later Afghans) who supported the United States in those conflicts. The Trump executive order, on the other hand, applies to seven countries with total population more than 130 million, and to virtually every category of immigrant other than diplomats, including tourists and business travelers.

2. Not a ban: Contrary to Trump’s Sunday statement and the repeated claims of his defenders, the Obama administration did not “ban visas for refugees from Iraq for six months.” For one thing, refugees don’t travel on visas. More importantly, while the flow of Iraqi refugees slowed significantly during the Obama administration’s review, refugees continued to be admitted to the United States during that time ... there was no outright ban.

3. Grounded in specific threat: The Obama administration’s 2011 review came in response to specific threat information, including the arrest in Kentucky of two Iraqi refugees ... the Trump administration has provided no evidence, nor even asserted, that any specific information or intelligence has led to its draconian order.

4. Orderly, organized process: The Obama administration’s review was conducted over roughly a dozen deputies and principals committee meetings, involving Cabinet and deputy Cabinet-level officials from all of the relevant departments and agencies — including the State, Homeland Security and Justice Departments — and the intelligence community. The Trump executive order was reportedly drafted by White House political officials and then presented to the implementing agencies a fait accompli[.]

5. Far stronger vetting today: Much has been made of Trump’s call for “extreme vetting” for citizens of certain countries. The entire purpose of the Obama administration’s 2011 review was to enhance the already stringent vetting to which refugees and SIV applicants were subjected. While many of the details are classified, those rigorous procedures, which lead to waiting times of 18-24 months for many Iraqi and Syrian refugees, remain in place today and are continually reviewed by interagency officials[.]
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I don't recall really giving him a pass on his BS...especially when he told me I could keep my fucking health insurance plan.

I also gave him shit about the whole "line in the sand" thing about Syria. That wasn't really a "lie" per se but an empty threat.
He didn't need a pass. It was a completely different approach to a very specific problem. Obama did not ban Iraq refugees from entering the United States. Iraqi refugees entered the US in every single month in 2011.

The Obama administration also retrospectively reviewed refugees already settled in the United States.

I am not going to rehash these points copy and paste it is.

1. Much narrower focus: The [2011 Iraqi "ban"] applied to citizens of a single country (Iraq) and then only to refugees and applicants for Special Immigrant Visas (SIVs), created by Congress to help Iraqis (and later Afghans) who supported the United States in those conflicts. The Trump executive order, on the other hand, applies to seven countries with total population more than 130 million, and to virtually every category of immigrant other than diplomats, including tourists and business travelers.

2. Not a ban: Contrary to Trump’s Sunday statement and the repeated claims of his defenders, the Obama administration did not “ban visas for refugees from Iraq for six months.” For one thing, refugees don’t travel on visas. More importantly, while the flow of Iraqi refugees slowed significantly during the Obama administration’s review, refugees continued to be admitted to the United States during that time ... there was no outright ban.

3. Grounded in specific threat: The Obama administration’s 2011 review came in response to specific threat information, including the arrest in Kentucky of two Iraqi refugees ... the Trump administration has provided no evidence, nor even asserted, that any specific information or intelligence has led to its draconian order.

4. Orderly, organized process: The Obama administration’s review was conducted over roughly a dozen deputies and principals committee meetings, involving Cabinet and deputy Cabinet-level officials from all of the relevant departments and agencies — including the State, Homeland Security and Justice Departments — and the intelligence community. The Trump executive order was reportedly drafted by White House political officials and then presented to the implementing agencies a fait accompli[.]

5. Far stronger vetting today: Much has been made of Trump’s call for “extreme vetting” for citizens of certain countries. The entire purpose of the Obama administration’s 2011 review was to enhance the already stringent vetting to which refugees and SIV applicants were subjected. While many of the details are classified, those rigorous procedures, which lead to waiting times of 18-24 months for many Iraqi and Syrian refugees, remain in place today and are continually reviewed by interagency officials[.]
Generally, Trump supporters exhibit mass confusion when it comes to facts.
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He didn't need a pass. It was a completely different approach to a very specific problem. Obama did not ban Iraq refugees from entering the United States. Iraqi refugees entered the US in every single month in 2011.

The Obama administration also retrospectively reviewed refugees already settled in the United States.

I am not going to rehash these points copy and paste it is.

1. Much narrower focus: The [2011 Iraqi "ban"] applied to citizens of a single country (Iraq) and then only to refugees and applicants for Special Immigrant Visas (SIVs), created by Congress to help Iraqis (and later Afghans) who supported the United States in those conflicts. The Trump executive order, on the other hand, applies to seven countries with total population more than 130 million, and to virtually every category of immigrant other than diplomats, including tourists and business travelers.

2. Not a ban: Contrary to Trump’s Sunday statement and the repeated claims of his defenders, the Obama administration did not “ban visas for refugees from Iraq for six months.” For one thing, refugees don’t travel on visas. More importantly, while the flow of Iraqi refugees slowed significantly during the Obama administration’s review, refugees continued to be admitted to the United States during that time ... there was no outright ban.

3. Grounded in specific threat: The Obama administration’s 2011 review came in response to specific threat information, including the arrest in Kentucky of two Iraqi refugees ... the Trump administration has provided no evidence, nor even asserted, that any specific information or intelligence has led to its draconian order.

4. Orderly, organized process: The Obama administration’s review was conducted over roughly a dozen deputies and principals committee meetings, involving Cabinet and deputy Cabinet-level officials from all of the relevant departments and agencies — including the State, Homeland Security and Justice Departments — and the intelligence community. The Trump executive order was reportedly drafted by White House political officials and then presented to the implementing agencies a fait accompli[.]

5. Far stronger vetting today: Much has been made of Trump’s call for “extreme vetting” for citizens of certain countries. The entire purpose of the Obama administration’s 2011 review was to enhance the already stringent vetting to which refugees and SIV applicants were subjected. While many of the details are classified, those rigorous procedures, which lead to waiting times of 18-24 months for many Iraqi and Syrian refugees, remain in place today and are continually reviewed by interagency officials[.]
I was referring to this link, which was a lie,
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...led-illinois-/

For what you're saying, I agree with you.
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He didn't need a pass. It was a completely different approach to a very specific problem. Obama did not ban Iraq refugees from entering the United States. Iraqi refugees entered the US in every single month in 2011.

The Obama administration also retrospectively reviewed refugees already settled in the United States.

I am not going to rehash these points copy and paste it is.

1. Much narrower focus: The [2011 Iraqi "ban"] applied to citizens of a single country (Iraq) and then only to refugees and applicants for Special Immigrant Visas (SIVs), created by Congress to help Iraqis (and later Afghans) who supported the United States in those conflicts. The Trump executive order, on the other hand, applies to seven countries with total population more than 130 million, and to virtually every category of immigrant other than diplomats, including tourists and business travelers.

2. Not a ban: Contrary to Trump’s Sunday statement and the repeated claims of his defenders, the Obama administration did not “ban visas for refugees from Iraq for six months.” For one thing, refugees don’t travel on visas. More importantly, while the flow of Iraqi refugees slowed significantly during the Obama administration’s review, refugees continued to be admitted to the United States during that time ... there was no outright ban.

3. Grounded in specific threat: The Obama administration’s 2011 review came in response to specific threat information, including the arrest in Kentucky of two Iraqi refugees ... the Trump administration has provided no evidence, nor even asserted, that any specific information or intelligence has led to its draconian order.

4. Orderly, organized process: The Obama administration’s review was conducted over roughly a dozen deputies and principals committee meetings, involving Cabinet and deputy Cabinet-level officials from all of the relevant departments and agencies — including the State, Homeland Security and Justice Departments — and the intelligence community. The Trump executive order was reportedly drafted by White House political officials and then presented to the implementing agencies a fait accompli[.]

5. Far stronger vetting today: Much has been made of Trump’s call for “extreme vetting” for citizens of certain countries. The entire purpose of the Obama administration’s 2011 review was to enhance the already stringent vetting to which refugees and SIV applicants were subjected. While many of the details are classified, those rigorous procedures, which lead to waiting times of 18-24 months for many Iraqi and Syrian refugees, remain in place today and are continually reviewed by interagency officials[.]
I agree with you too, and note I'm from Europe, so me saying his politics on environmental issues sucked, is giving him 83/10 stars there.

As for middle east, he brought peace. Trump is bringing the other option and tet again people wonder where from terrorists' come from.
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I agree with you too, and note I'm from Europe, so me saying his politics on environmental issues sucked, is giving him 83/10 stars there.

As for middle east, he brought peace. Trump is bringing the other option and tet again people wonder where from terrorists' come from.


Were the 26k bombs dropped in 2016 peaceful?
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