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      07-16-2019, 12:07 PM   #6491
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You are acting like pretend lawyers trying to figure out meaning of words lol. It's so simple, no one normal or not racist ever said the words "go back to where you came from". Everyone knows what that means and it doesn't mean go back to New York or go back to Minnesota lol.

I think everyone had heard some racist guy yelling "go back to where you came from"

But it don't matter since it's all a political trick to get everyone to look the other way. Instead of getting conned and debating all this for a few days why not stay focused on the real problems? This guys is tricking you all every time with this stuff why can't you all see it yet?
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You are acting like pretend lawyers trying to figure out meaning of words lol. It's so simple, no one normal or not racist ever said the words "go back to where you came from". Everyone knows what that means and it doesn't mean go back to New York or go back to Minnesota lol.

I think everyone had heard some racist guy yelling "go back to where you came from"

But it don't matter since it's all a political trick to get everyone to look the other way. Instead of getting conned and debating all this for a few days why not stay focused on the real problems? This guys is tricking you all every time with this stuff why can't you all see it yet?
I get your point (solid points!), but I think there is value in knowing how people are defining things in order to try to understand what they are saying. You don't have to be a lawyer, pretend or otherwise.


As an aside, I have heard lots of people in Virginia yelling "go back to where you came from" at New Yorkers, but that doesn't make them racist...
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You are acting like pretend lawyers trying to figure out meaning of words lol. It's so simple, no one normal or not racist ever said the words "go back to where you came from". Everyone knows what that means and it doesn't mean go back to New York or go back to Minnesota lol.

I think everyone had heard some racist guy yelling "go back to where you came from"

But it don't matter since it's all a political trick to get everyone to look the other way. Instead of getting conned and debating all this for a few days why not stay focused on the real problems? This guys is tricking you all every time with this stuff why can't you all see it yet?
So, if George Washington told Ben Franklin to go back where he came from, that would have been racist? Okay
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You are acting like pretend lawyers trying to figure out meaning of words lol. It's so simple, no one normal or not racist ever said the words "go back to where you came from". Everyone knows what that means and it doesn't mean go back to New York or go back to Minnesota lol.

I think everyone had heard some racist guy yelling "go back to where you came from"

But it don't matter since it's all a political trick to get everyone to look the other way. Instead of getting conned and debating all this for a few days why not stay focused on the real problems? This guys is tricking you all every time with this stuff why can't you all see it yet?
I get your point (solid points!), but I think there is value in knowing how people are defining things in order to try to understand what they are saying. You don't have to be a lawyer, pretend or otherwise.


As an aside, I have heard lots of people in Virginia yelling "go back to where you came from" at New Yorkers, but that doesn't make them racist...
I also want New Yorkers to go back to where they came from when I'm in west la haha
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If anyone hates America so much that they're constantly shit talking our country, disrespecting the flag, disrespecting our volunteer military, disrespecting our law enforcement, disrespecting our entire system of government; then you are free to leave. It's that simple. I don't care if your family was on the Mayflower. This isn't racist. I'd call it patriotic.... and completely American that people are free from persecution while saying it. Some may not like it, but this is what freedom of speech looks like. Use your vote next year to make your voice heard. I know I will.
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If George Washington told Ben Franklin to "go back where he came from", that would be Boston, Ma, where Ol' Ben was born. Just makin' a point that one should know where someone is born before using that phrase.

As a point of discussion, someone who so readily takes to twitter to insult others should not be such a snowflake when others use the same first amendment rights to correct, or criticize him. He is not the country, but simply a representative who should reflect the views of the many and not a minority of the populous. Its for the best and ultimately for our unification.
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I love how the media has now determined that his Tweet isn't "considered racist by some" but it is now "The Racist Tweet".

Nope - no bias here. Please look over there, not behind the curtain.


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President Trump ranks below Presidents that supported slavery and even owned slaves? What's funny is the article basically says nothing more than the headline. Zero supporting analysis.

People are deranged. ����
I know Google can be hard to use, but there are plenty of links out there.

https://www.msnbc.com/hardball/watch...ry-63903301513
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      07-16-2019, 01:28 PM   #6499
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If George Washington told Ben Franklin to "go back where he came from", that would be Boston, Ma, where Ol' Ben was born. Just makin' a point that one should know where someone is born before using that phrase.

As a point of discussion, someone who so readily takes to twitter to insult others should not be such a snowflake when others use the same first amendment rights to correct, or criticize him. He is not the country, but simply a representative who should reflect the views of the many and not a minority of the populous. Its for the best and ultimately for our unification.
Of course that was the case That was my point. I think the president knew where they were born and was not referring to where they were born.
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This: Trump may not realize his tweets are racist in nature, but they were meant to be abusive and divisive. Trump is attempting to do what he does best....get attention. He is an ignorant & abusive narcissist bully who cares only about himself, and making every issue about HIM.

Remember the film "A day without a mexican"?

We really need a day without Trump.
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This: Trump may not realize his tweets are racist in nature, but they were meant to be abusive and divisive. Trump is attempting to do what he does best....get attention.
The prevailing theory I'm hearing is the texts were designed to have President Trump's opponents rally around and associate themselves with "The Squad" of idiots that have horrible public opinion ratings. So far it seems to be working.
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Nicky voted for Obama. I don't think he's racist ......
Voted Dem/Independent for awhile, but my hatred for Clinton made me go for DJT in 2016. I've said for years I'd vote for Biden if he gets the nod, and would have in 2016.

I wasn't a fan of a lot of what Obama did, but I don't think anybody can deny he's essentially a good man, a good family man with no scandals, and he was very professional.
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The prevailing theory I'm hearing is the texts were designed to have President Trump's opponents rally around and associate themselves with "The Squad" of idiots that have horrible public opinion ratings. So far it seems to be working.
I still think it was bad timing. Pelosi and the real power holders were putting the squad in check, DJT didn't need to enter this mess.
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If one were to use the same language at your place of work, that trump used "go back to your country". You would be liable for a pretty serious charge of discrimination. The EEOC defines phrases that demean the national origin of a person as discriminatory.

https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/nationalorigin.cfm

The right wing cultists on this forum are bending over backwards to defend these comments. They are putting out a tremendous amount of effort to defend racist phrasing. Says a lot about tier character.
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I find the irony here that Trump somehow wants to portray himself as this great patriot. Frankly, I don't think he is.

I don't think someone who has been a con and fraud all his life is a patriot. I don't think someone who dodged military service in Vietnam is a patriot, nor is someone who had a bunch of shady-mcshady shit going on with Russia (still a geopolitical enemy of ours) during the election and lied his ass off to the American public time and again about it, is a patriot.

I don't think someone who lies to the American public some 10,000+ times over the past two years and buddies up with foreign tyrants is some type of patriot. I don't think someone who belittles his own government law enforcement agency (the FBI) nor does not believe his own national security people is some type of patriot.

I don't think someone who promised to drain the swamp, yet has done his level headed best to fill it right up with a bunch of corrupt and inept clowns, is some type of patriot.

I don't think someone who took an oath of office to preserve, protect and defend THE Constitution of the United States is a patriot when he thumbs his nose at parts of it he does not like (free speech and freedom of the press are two good examples of this).

I don't think someone who tells people to not comply with subpoenas or document production just because he does not like what the other side is doing is a patriot.

I don't think someone who treats fellow Americans day in and day out the way he does just because they have different views than he does, or come from someplace different than he does, is a patriot.

Just because Trump says he is a patriot, wraps his arms around the flag, and puts on a big 4th of July celebration, does not mean he IS a patriot. You don't love your country and do all of this crap (and more).
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Voted Dem/Independent for awhile, but my hatred for Clinton made me go for DJT in 2016. I've said for years I'd vote for Biden if he gets the nod, and would have in 2016.

I wasn't a fan of a lot of what Obama did, but I don't think anybody can deny he's essentially a good man, a good family man with no scandals, and he was very professional.
I am with you other than I have voted for more Republicans than Democrats over my lifetime. Biden is on my list this time around, but not my only choice at this point.


I very much regret my vote for Trump. I wish I would have known then what I know now. I would have voted of Mickey Mouse.
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As someone who has a very liberal live-in girlfriend, and has been a lifelong resident of deep blue states, I can state quite confidently that a core issue is often how differently people can define racism. A good example is when I hear people state that WHITE men are some sort of a problem... Or how WHITE law enforcement officers somehow can't effectively police people of different ethnicities. I hear politicians say this on the regular! Somehow people don't see this as racist, but I sure as Hell do.
What's a matta widge you-can't find a cute girlfriend from the far right or the Nazi party?

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This: Trump may not realize his tweets are racist in nature, but they were meant to be abusive and divisive. Trump is attempting to do what he does best....get attention. He is an ignorant & abusive narcissist bully who cares only about himself, and making every issue about HIM.

Remember the film "A day without a mexican"?

We really need a day without Trump.
I think its best when he is out of the country...

Regarding his statement "I don't have a racist bone in my body, he now says he meant "I don't have a racist bone spur in my body"
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As someone who has a very liberal live-in girlfriend, and has been a lifelong resident of deep blue states, I can state quite confidently that a core issue is often how differently people can define racism. A good example is when I hear people state that WHITE men are some sort of a problem... Or how WHITE law enforcement officers somehow can't effectively police people of different ethnicities. I hear politicians say this on the regular! Somehow people don't see this as racist, but I sure as Hell do.
What's a matta widge you-can't find a cute girlfriend from the far right or the Nazi party?

Just kiddin' man. Hope you marry and she converts you!
It's tough. I'm across enemy lines up here in the socialist republic of NYC!
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I very much regret my vote for Trump.
Now you know how I feel about voting for Bill Clinton.
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I think its best when he is out of the country...

Regarding his statement "I don't have a racist bone in my body, he now says he meant "I don't have a racist bone spur in my body"
Had I been drinking a soda, it would have come out through my nose when I read what he said. This from the guy who had to sign a consent decree when the federal gov't sued him for housing discrimination in the 1970's because of rent discrimination, ordering blacks off the floor of the casino when he and Ivana arrived (according to an employee), the Central Park Five death penalty issue and his refusal to this day to admit he was wrong, the Native Americans who wanted to open casinos in Connecticut and New York in the 1990's and his attempt to block them and his racist comments about them, issues surrounding The Apprentice and racial comments Trump made there, Birtherism and Obama, Charlottesville in 2017, his comments about black athletes who protest police brutality (you know, those sons of bitches), voter fraud by people here illegally (not voter fraud in general, but those people just here illegally), African shithole countries, how he treated victims from Hurricane Harvey in Houston as compared to Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico, immigrants from Nigeria and going back to their huts, Muslim ban, his fawning over the extreme alt-right clowns who he invited to the White House recently, some of them who spout racist views almost constantly in hopes they will be there for him in 2020, and of course, his latest tweets about the "Squad" from over the weekend. And I am sure I have missed more than a few. But yeah, Trump doesn't have a racist bone in his entire body....
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Now you know how I feel about voting for Bill Clinton.
Yeah, I do. I did not vote for him, either.
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