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      02-17-2020, 11:03 AM   #9571
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The greater question is the $600+ a night the SS gets charged at Trump resorts............why so much?
You don't have enough information to know if that is a high price or a low price. Do you know the government contract rate at the properties or if, indeed there is one? Do you know the rack rate at the properties in question?
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      02-17-2020, 11:06 AM   #9572
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You don't have enough information to know if that is a high price or a low price. Do you know the government contract rate at the properties or if, indeed there is one? Do you know the rack rate at the properties in question?
Really? You think $600+ a night could possibly be a fair price? I thought Trump was saving us money by staying and using his own resorts.

Not so much.
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Really? You think $600+ a night could possibly be a fair price? I thought Trump was saving us money by staying and using his own resorts.

Not so much.
Do you have the information or not?
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      02-17-2020, 11:12 AM   #9574
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Do you have the information or not?
Of course I have the information. Trump is overcharging the US taxpayer, while claiming he is saving them money.

Secret Service personnel traveling with President Trump to his private luxury properties in Palm Beach, Fla., and Bedminster, N.J., pay rates as high at $650 per night for lodging, according to documents obtained by The Washington Post.

The Post investigation tallied the amount of taxpayer dollars spent in Trump's properties and found that the Secret Service spent $159,000 at Trumpís D.C. hotel in his first year alone. In the president's out-of-state properties, the Trump company is recorded as charging as much as $17,000 per month for rent.

The newspaper noted that after a thorough search of rentals in the area for comparable homes, the average cost for rent was $3,400.

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...er-night-while
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Of course I have the information. Trump is overcharging the US taxpayer, while claiming he is saving them money.

Secret Service personnel traveling with President Trump to his private luxury properties in Palm Beach, Fla., and Bedminster, N.J., pay rates as high at $650 per night for lodging, according to documents obtained by The Washington Post.

The Post investigation tallied the amount of taxpayer dollars spent in Trump's properties and found that the Secret Service spent $159,000 at Trumpís D.C. hotel in his first year alone. In the president's out-of-state properties, the Trump company is recorded as charging as much as $17,000 per month for rent.

The newspaper noted that after a thorough search of rentals in the area for comparable homes, the average cost for rent was $3,400.

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...er-night-while
And yet none of the information you presented is that which I requested. The answer is no.
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And yet none of the information you presented is that which I requested. The answer is no.
Deflectors are on full, captain MK......but their facts are still getting through!

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And you would literally be wrong, but that's your prerogative.
You don't think Mexico has spent 3.2 Billion to deploy 30K + troops for the last 6 months and giving sanctuary to 10's of thousands of peopls south of their boarder?

And youy still have not told me what you give the president credit for when he does something good.
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Should US taxpayers be paying for this?

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Meh, we pay for every military flyover.

Now some of those might be requisite training hours and thus some of the costs defrayed, but I'm sure it doesn't add up to much.

AF1 was already in Daytona because the President was. Not much of a big deal, IMO.

His constant trips to Bedminster and Mar a Lago are a much bigger cost concern, again IMO.
It's a training flight. Air Crews need to be kept sharp and training flights are an efficient way to keep the swords sharp.
I doubt the AF1 pilots are short on minimum hours, though.
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And you would literally be wrong, but that's your prerogative.
You don't think Mexico has spent 3.2 Billion to deploy 30K + troops for the last 6 months and giving sanctuary to 10's of thousands of peopls south of their boarder?

And youy still have not told me what you give the president credit for when he does something good.
That is not paying for the wall, though.

I'm not doing your homework, this is the hits/misses thread - I've posted in here about hits. Find them, or don't. I couldn't possibly care less either way.
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I doubt the AF1 pilots are short on minimum hours, though.
Said nothing about minimums...
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(A) Where did Obama stay, and how much was it per night? I'd bet Obama did not stay overnight in GSA per diem locations.
(B) Trump donates his annual $250,000 salary back to the Government.
OK.....Where did Obama stay? What was the nightly cost?

I'd bet a dollar his nightly stays averaged less, and OVERALL his costs are dwarfed by Trumps expenditures.
(Obama spent a lot of time at Camp David, as opposed to Mar a Lago).
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Yer the one saying Trump over charging the Govt, not me. So burden is on you to provide info. Kinda tough to believe anything WaPo writes about Trump.
No, I'm using the MK method. You do all the work.
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That is not paying for the wall, though.

I'm not doing your homework, this is the hits/misses thread - I've posted in here about hits. Find them, or don't. I couldn't possibly care less either way.
OK I guess the answer is you never gave him credit.
And your argument that money that the the U.S. is saving by Mexoco doing our immigration enfocement job is not money coming into the U.S. that helps build the wall makes no sense: Trump's saying Mexico would pay for the wall was just that..Mexico is compensating the U.S. to offset the cost of building a wall. What's so hard to understand?

Thats the same as me buying a Cornet or a gun and the wife going out and earning money which is going to paying for my stuff. Maybe your household works differently.

We see things differently. You get the last word. I'm done.
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That is not paying for the wall, though.

I'm not doing your homework, this is the hits/misses thread - I've posted in here about hits. Find them, or don't. I couldn't possibly care less either way.
OK I guess the answer is you never gave him credit.
And your argument that money that the the U.S. is saving by Mexoco doing our immigration enfocement job is not money coming into the U.S. that helps build the wall makes no sense: Trump's saying Mexico would pay for the wall was just that..Mexico is compensating the U.S. to offset the cost of building a wall. What's so hard to understand?

Thats the same as me buying a Cornet or a gun and the wife going out and earning money which is going to paying for my stuff. Maybe your household works differently.

We see things differently. You get the last word. I'm done.
I'm still amazed by your comment that Trump has helped your portfolio the last 10 years.

I'm sure you're using the same math now
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I doubt the AF1 pilots are short on minimum hours, though.
Said nothing about minimums...
Well, if they're over their required training hours, AKA minimus, doesn't make sense to write it off as training.

Not sure what the rolleyes are about.
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Well, if they're over their required training hours, AKA minimus, doesn't make sense to write it off as training.

Not sure what the rolleyes are about.
You brought up minimum hours and that isn't what I was discussing. Being over minimums doesn't mean you are ok on training. Let's ask SakhirM4 .
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You brought up minimum hours and that isn't what I was discussing. Being over minimums doesn't mean you are ok on training. Let's ask SakhirM4 .
Jockey would be a better person to ask, as he has flown far more recently.
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You brought up minimum hours and that isn't what I was discussing. Being over minimums doesn't mean you are ok on training. Let's ask SakhirM4 .
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Jockey would be a better person to ask, as he has flown far more recently.
Yeah, I haven't flown for over 30 years - what do I know. But, back when Orville, Wilbur and I were flying. minimum hours was not really an issue. There were many training squares we had to fill and that really depended on the aircraft and your mission. In the F4 we had intercepts, low angle bomb, high angle bomb, radar approaches, night flying, air refueling, etc., etc. - actually over 100 separate training requirements that had to be accomplished each quarter or half. That has probably changed.
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But, back when Orville, Wilbur and I were flying.
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