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      06-16-2017, 11:41 AM   #1
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Fugitives surrender to armed civilians

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/16/us/geo...ure/index.html

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Two inmates over power and murder two correctional offices during prison transfer. They then proceed to steal a multitude of vehicles and rob two homes over the course of three days before surrendering to two armed homeowners.

Curious to hear from individuals that are pro-gun control/ban.

Edit: FYI, I am pro 2nd amendment but also want stricter gun laws.
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Holy shit they got arrested in the county I live in. Didn't even hear about this.
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We should send a missile up Kim Jong-un's ass.
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Nice little reward check for the guys the caught them.
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The only gun control im interested in, is using 2 hands.
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Edit: FYI, I am pro 2nd amendment but also want stricter gun laws.
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We should send a missile up Kim Jong-un's ass.
Isn't that why Rodman went over there?

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http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/16/us/geo...ure/index.html

Summary:
Two inmates over power and murder two correctional offices during prison transfer. They then proceed to steal a multitude of vehicles and rob two homes over the course of three days before surrendering to two armed homeowners.

Curious to hear from individuals that are pro-gun control/ban.

Edit: FYI, I am pro 2nd amendment but also want stricter gun laws.
What stricter gun laws do you want?
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What stricter gun laws do you want?
I would like to see the completion of mandatory training programs before owning a gun. We do it for driving, why not guns as well? I don't think it should be as easy as going into the local sporting goods store and walking out with an ar-15, or any gun, needing only a driver's license. Sure it's ok for the average law abiding citizen but what about the schizophrenic that hates their job and the people that work there?

I would also like to see harsher punishment for those that possess them illegally. There​ isn't any reason a person would need to obtain a gun illegally unless they had ill intent.
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Isn't that why Rodman went over there?

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Do explain.
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I would like to see the completion of mandatory training programs before owning a gun. We do it for driving, why not guns as well? I don't think it should be as easy as going into the local sporting goods store and walking out with an ar-15, or any gun, needing only a driver's license. Sure it's ok for the average law abiding citizen but what about the schizophrenic that hates their job and the people that work there?

I would also like to see harsher punishment for those that possess them illegally. There​ isn't any reason a person would need to obtain a gun illegally unless they had ill intent.
How would the training that you describe, and I am not against it, prevent a schizophrenic from obtaining a gun?
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I would like to see the completion of mandatory training programs before owning a gun. We do it for driving, why not guns as well? I don't think it should be as easy as going into the local sporting goods store and walking out with an ar-15, or any gun, needing only a driver's license. Sure it's ok for the average law abiding citizen but what about the schizophrenic that hates their job and the people that work there?

I would also like to see harsher punishment for those that possess them illegally. There​ isn't any reason a person would need to obtain a gun illegally unless they had ill intent.
Why mandatory? And I disagree. Driving is not in the bill of rights, but gun ownership is, so it is a different situation than owning a car. Plus you do not have to have a drivers license to buy an automobile, you have to have a drivers license (i.e. proper training) to operate an automobile on public streets, so the analogy you put forth really is saying psychopaths who want to use a gun to kill people should be properly trained to use it. If the gun course is mandatory, then there is the prospect of restricting the right of an otherwise qualified citizen the right to own a gun if the person is deemed to not pass the training course; this would be unconstitutional.

There are already laws in place to keep legally-determined mentally ill people from legally purchasing guns.
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Isn't that why Rodman went over there?



Do explain.
Driving is a privilege
Owning a gun is a constitutional right.
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Do explain.
If one is pro-2nd Amendment, they cannot also favor gun control. The ideas are mutually exclusive. The whole idea behind the Bill of Rights is that by mere virtue of our existence we have certain inalienable rights granted by a higher power (ie, a power greater than that of any man or government), thus no human being or collection of human beings has the authority to restrict said rights.

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I would like to see the completion of mandatory training programs before owning a gun. We do it for driving, why not guns as well? I don't think it should be as easy as going into the local sporting goods store and walking out with an ar-15, or any gun, needing only a driver's license. Sure it's ok for the average law abiding citizen but what about the schizophrenic that hates their job and the people that work there?
First off, one doesn't just need a driver's license, one would also have to complete and successfully pass a background check through the NICS database. Secondly, as others have mentioned, the right to bear arms is just that, a right. Driving is a privilege. Thirdly, as others have mentioned, one doesn't need a drivers license to purchase a motor vehicle, only to (legally) operate a motor vehicle on public roadways. Do you mean that training should be required for those who choose to carry a firearm on a day-to-day basis? I could get on board with that, if only to educate carriers on the laws that pertain to them. I'm not ok with the idea of having to 'qualify' to carry a firearm though.

Who would conduct such training? How long would it be? What would it consist of? Who would pay for it? It's a nice thought, but once one considers the implications of such a suggestion it becomes very hard to see how we could do it without infringing on the 2A.

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I would also like to see harsher punishment for those that possess them illegally. There​ isn't any reason a person would need to obtain a gun illegally unless they had ill intent.
Only siths deal in absolutes.

I found out this weekend that a friend is on firearms disability. He's a good man and a veteran who married a crazy woman. After several episodes of actual physical, mental and emotional abuse on her part he made the decision to end the relationship. Upon announcing his intent to divorce her she falsely accused him of domestic abuse - being that our justice system is what it is, the courts sided with her and he is unable to be in possession of a firearm until he can get his record expunged. He just wants to be able to go to the range and enjoy some quality time with friends and family again; is that ill intent?
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Driving on public roads is a privilege
Owning a gun is a constitutional right.
Slight clarification to a nearly perfect summary
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