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      09-26-2019, 04:29 PM   #243
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Oh yeah the Freedom Caucus fraud. How is and colleagues goal of creating a smaller government and controlling spending going?

He gave up on that and signed up as one of Trump's main cheerleaders.
He might be wrong on controlling spending and smaller government, but he's right on this. Good try with the deflection though.
The deflection, today, was Radcliffe and Nunes. At the hearing with Maguire.

Speaking of deflection, would you like to comment on the smear campaign by Trump in the alt right against former US to Ukrainian ambassador Marie Yovanovitch
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So are you both are saying that the Mueller investigation is all made up and bullshit too? That the Russian's never interfered with our 2016 election?

Not sure how the Trump/Ukraine communication transcript and the whistle blowers letter evidence is shown in black and white and you guys refuse to believe it and that our current president doesn't lie and break any laws.
if running some fake memes and ads on social media is interfering with an election, a majority of the internet has interfered with an election.
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      09-26-2019, 04:58 PM   #246
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He might be wrong on controlling spending and smaller government, but he's right on this. Good try with the deflection though.
The deflection attempt by his tweet, I agree.
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Pressuring them to help get Obama re-elected!?!

What universe do you guys live in? How did they help him and what did Obama exactly ask for? I already brought this up pages ago. That was bad enough and Trump took it to the next level. Just imagine if Obama had asked them for the RNC or Romney’s server in exchange for scrapping the missile defense system. You guys truly crack me up.
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It's politics and Obama probably has on his hands as much dirt as Trump. It's just that Obama knew how to hide them well whereas Trump tends to say things that he shouldn't and got in trouble for it.

For example, his interview with Stephanopoulos in the White House in which he said what he would do to his opponents if he's gotten a story from them. Obama or Clinton probably would never say it but I am not surprised if they wouldn't do the same.
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It's politics and Obama probably has on his hands as much dirt as Trump. It's just that Obama knew how to hide them well whereas Trump tends to say things that he shouldn't and got in trouble for it.

For example, his interview with Stephanopoulos in the White House in which he said what he would do to his opponents if he's gotten a story from them. Obama or Clinton probably would never say it but I am not surprised if they wouldn't do the same.
I wasn’t an an Obama supporter (but, I did like some stuff and give him credit for a few big things) and never voted for him. I agree with some of what you say, but I think he was restrained/smart enough not to ask foreign governments for help to get dirt or threaten to withhold xyz for it. He was to weak in the knees for that as well.

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It's politics and Obama probably has on his hands as much dirt as Trump. It's just that Obama knew how to hide them well whereas Trump tends to say things that he shouldn't and got in trouble for it.

For example, his interview with Stephanopoulos in the White House in which he said what he would do to his opponents if he's gotten a story from them. Obama or Clinton probably would never say it but I am not surprised if they wouldn't do the same.
I wasn't an an Obama supporter (but, I did like some stuff and give him credit for a few big things) and never voted for him. I agree with some of what you say, but I think he was restrained/smart enough not to ask foreign governments for help to get dirt or threaten to withhold xyz for it. He was to weak in the knees for that as well.
Thinking Obama or Clinton would've done the same thing as Trump is an unfounded equivalency.
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LOL; guys were politics like this 30 years ago? this shit is comical.
No, but it was like this 47 years ago when Nixon faced impeachment. The country was deeply divided over a number of issues, not the least of which was the Vietnam War. Watergate carried that division forward. My dad and I were diametric opposites in those days.

Things eventually healed, but it took a while. And it took a charismatic president named Reagan to get me feeling good about my country again. Whatever issues I have with that man, he gave Americans back their pride, and I am grateful for it.

We'll need another Reagan. Once this is over. I personally have faith that America still makes people like that.

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That's more recent. Clinton presidency did some damage there by militarizing state and local police forces. 9/11 and the Patriot Act (spit) really pushed things up. This remains one of the most serious concerns of mine, but it does not fit well into a 24 hour news cycle so it doesn't get much attention from the facebook generation.

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while people's morality and emotions make decisions and not facts.
That's humanity. It has nothing to do with any point in history other than the the fact that it was there during all of them.
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Do you read articles before you post them?

You don't seem to................................
It's left wing propaganda, didn't you hear?

Years of hearing the arguments, the counterarguments, the name calling, and heavy stomping I have yet to hear or read a cohesive answer to the question, "why are we still defending Trump?"
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Things eventually healed, but it took a while.
Things will only be healed when the old generation passed away and be replaced by the newer generation where the memories no long there. The Vietnam war scars never went away ... but well it was war. I don't think Europe was ever healed from WWII.
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      09-26-2019, 06:15 PM   #254
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Why do you associate BLM and the far right bogeyman, Soros?
LOL! Are you serious?

Soros has openly admitted to donating nearly a billion dollars to the BLM movement.

Good grief. Also - enjoy some sources below. I also included a snopes article agreeing that he donated to BLM extensively, since I know you are so fond of them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...y_George_Soros
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/riot-act/
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics...sheriff-clarke
https://blackcommunitynews.com/tag/george-soros/
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Trump has admitted he talked with Ukraine and we know he asked him to look into the biden/shokin incident while doing his typical "im gonna butter you up then ask you to do something" routine.

what the whistleblower complaint says, and maybe you didnt read it, is that trump wanted ukraine to dig up dirt on biden in return for USA aid, and that the White House covered it all up. This is all based on conversation he either had with people that had knowledge of the incidents, or that he overheard. Maybe you dont know what hearsay is? It is literally hearsay.

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I find it hilarious when people try to play lawyer. The complaint clearly falls within one of the exceptions to the hearsay rule (the Present Sense exception or the Contemporaneous Recording exception, just to name two). Nice try though.
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Isn't it interesting that a foreign nation providing information about a rival candidate was applauded when it was a Democrat administration receiving the intelligence.
The hypocrisy is sickening.

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US intelligence working closely with foreign intelligence is nothing new...
EXACTLY.
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Why do you associate BLM and the far right bogeyman, Soros?
LOL! Are you serious?

Soros has openly admitted to donating nearly a billion dollars to the BLM movement.

Good grief. Also - enjoy some sources below. I also included a snopes article agreeing that he donated to BLM extensively, since I know you are so fond of them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...y_George_Soros
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/riot-act/
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics...sheriff-clarke
https://blackcommunitynews.com/tag/george-soros/
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ciety-foundat/
https://www.theatlantic.com/business...thropy/547247/
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Silent liked your post, but does not reply to mine. Curious.........
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Why do you associate BLM and the far right bogeyman, Soros?
LOL! Are you serious?

Soros has openly admitted to donating nearly a billion dollars to the BLM movement.

Good grief. Also - enjoy some sources below. I also included a snopes article agreeing that he donated to BLM extensively, since I know you are so fond of them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...y_George_Soros
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/riot-act/
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics...sheriff-clarke
https://blackcommunitynews.com/tag/george-soros/
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ciety-foundat/
https://www.theatlantic.com/business...thropy/547247/
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Silent liked your post, but does not reply to mine. Curious.........
well, i dunno RD, it's a real mystery. it's always been my impression that Run likes you way better than me....
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“I want to know who’s the person, who’s the person who gave the whistleblower the information? Because that’s close to a spy. You know what we used to do in the old days when we were smart? Right? The spies and treason, we used to handle it a little differently than we do now.”

Execute them. We used to kill them Mr President. Would you like this person killed?
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EXACTLY.
It's okay so long as a Republican is doing it. Anyone else and it's un-American.
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Execute them. We used to kill them Mr President. Would you like this person killed?
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Trump’s not the brightest bulb and needs to lay off the Twitter, but lemme see if i’ve got the doublespeak straight..

Obama opens investigation into trump campaign for collusion with Russia in the final months of a campaign = a-ok

Trump asks Ukraine to look into potentially troubling closure of investigation of a former Vice President a year plus prior to the election that the former VP is a primary candidate for = treason

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Trump’s not the brightest bulb and needs to lay off the Twitter, but lemme see if i’ve got the doublespeak straight..

Obama opens investigation into trump campaign for collusion with Russia in the final months of a campaign = a-ok

Trump asks Ukraine to look into potentially troubling closure of investigation of a former Vice President a year plus prior to the election that the former VP is a primary candidate for = treason

Maybe if you phrased it differently, it would make more sense.

Obama opens investigation into potential election meddling by a foreign power involving the Trump campaign = a-ok (note that Obama didn't open investigation against Trump himself, as there wasn't yet any conclusive evidence at that time).

Trump using the full weight of his executive authority (including offering the use of the US enforcement agency) to extort a foreign power into meddling in an upcoming election by opening an investigation (for an unsubstantiated crime, no less) on a potential political rival = not a-ok.

The key is election meddling, not investigation. Obama didn't engage in election meddling (the Russians were). Trump is being now accused of coercing a foreign power into meddling an election.

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Trump's not the brightest bulb and needs to lay off the Twitter, but lemme see if i've got the doublespeak straight..

Obama opens investigation into trump campaign for collusion with Russia in the final months of a campaign = a-ok

Trump asks Ukraine to look into potentially troubling closure of investigation of a former Vice President a year plus prior to the election that the former VP is a primary candidate for = treason

Maybe if you phrased it differently, it would make more sense.

Obama opens investigation into potential election meddling by a foreign power involving the Trump campaign = a-ok (note that Obama didn't open investigation against Trump himself, as there wasn't yet any conclusive evidence at that time).

Trump using the full weight of his executive authority (including offering the use of the US enforcement agency) to extort a foreign power into meddling in an upcoming election by opening an investigation (for an unsubstantiated crime, no less) on a potential political rival = not a-ok.

The key is election meddling, not investigation. Obama didn't engage in election meddling (the Russians were). Trump is being now accused of coercing a foreign power into meddling an election.
This is a display of not understanding the facts. No wonder you feel as you do.
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