[boss2k]

Originally Posted by jimbojsb

The S2000 transmission is widely considered the benchmark and we knew this was never gonna be that. I don't see a big overall variance between 911 transmissions and modern BMW transmissions. They don't feel the same, but I don't see one as better or worse, just different.

I have driven 718 MTs couple of times and the transmission and clutch is lot better than a BMW , what is worrying me from OP's review is the clutch is very light and that could be a big issue for me , i dont want lifeless clutch!!

[CJ421]

I would definitely have ordered my Z4 with a manual had it been available at the time. It's very cool to see these manual Z4's in the wild.

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

This is so true. The 6MT transformed my experience with the G80 M3, and I think it would do the same in the Z4. It’s really sad that BMW is killing off manuals. Maybe they need a leadership change.

I'm glad BMW has kept the manual around as long as it has. Almost everyone else has jumped ship, even the Corvette has dropped it. The fact that they introduced it on the Z4 and made it available on the new M2 is pretty good evidence they respect the demand for manuals.

I don't think the manual will make it to the next generation of M cars given the whole electric movement, but I'll deal with that when the time comes.

Charles

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I'd bet the new manuals have a CDV in them. It won't change the pedal force needed but may affect the perception of how smooth it is - which might be perceived as lightness?

[jdhiro]

Originally Posted by jimbojsb

The S2000 transmission is widely considered the benchmark...

Except for the notoriously sticky 2nd gear.

[BEAR-AvHistory-2]

Originally Posted by Rcasa20

I always follow the break in directions but know plenty who don’t. Does it really matter?

Thing is 99% of the people are clueless about break-in. Ask most anyone about it & they talk engine. Totally forgetting transmission, differential, brakes, tires & the list goes on.

Moving parts need to have time to mesh. Tires need to wear off mold release compound from the manufacturing process about 200 miles as well as have a number of heat cycles done.

Expect the guys who made the car know more about it than run it like you stole it keyboard racers. The builders are not trying to break your chops keeping you waiting to run & gun but they are trying to reduce warranty claims.

[jdhiro]

Originally Posted by boss2k

I have driven 718 MTs couple of times and the transmission and clutch is lot better than a BMW , what is worrying me from OP's review is the clutch is very light and that could be a big issue for me , i dont want lifeless clutch!!

On the flip side, I found the Cayman's clutch to be unnecessarily heavy, and still too long of an engagement.

The S2K clutch isn't heavy at all, and has very short travel. If that's some holy grain of manuals, it kind of proves you don't need a heavy clutch for engagement.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by BEAR-AvHistory-2

they are trying to reduce warranty claims.

And increase reliability metrics!

That said, I think these modern engines can handle whatever we throw at them - as long as the drivetrain is properly warmed up and the transmission not abused. Still, I follow all the rules and then some - especially on the M’s. I don’t even do sport + until after break-in.

[BEAR-AvHistory-2]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

And increase reliability metrics!

That said, I think these modern engines can handle whatever we throw at them - as long as the drivetrain is properly warmed up and the transmission not abused. Still, I follow all the rules and then some - especially on the M’s. I don’t even do sport + until after break-in.

Agree. I think the words are to try to get people use common sense & not do 20 LC's the day they bring it home.

Remember when I got my 2011 335is Coupe the high boost feature IIRC increased torque to 370lbs from regular 320lbs was programmatically locked out till 1200 miles had passed.

Tested it out myself at 1199 miles no extra boost, at 1201 miles, Holy S**T was a totally different car.

[Rcasa20]

Playing devil’s advocate. If the break in is so important why do I get rental cars with less than 100 miles on the odometer every so often? Don’t the companies care or is it a risk they’re willing to take in order to earn money from mile 1?

[BrianUNC]

Originally Posted by Rcasa20

Playing devil’s advocate. If the break in is so important why do I get rental cars with less than 100 miles on the odometer every so often? Don’t the companies care or is it a risk they’re willing to take in order to earn money from mile 1?

Rental companies sell the cars soon enough that it doesn't matter.

[Rcasa20]

Originally Posted by BrianUNC

Rental companies sell the cars soon enough that it doesn't matter.

I’ll buy that! Go Heels!!!

[BEAR-AvHistory-2]

Never could understand why people seem to have so much trouble with following break-in instructions.

Instant gratification & fueled by lack of self control?

[BEAR-AvHistory-2]

Originally Posted by Rcasa20

Playing devil’s advocate. If the break in is so important why do I get rental cars with less than 100 miles on the odometer every so often? Don’t the companies care or is it a risk they’re willing to take in order to earn money from mile 1?

Potential risk is totally taken by someone who will actually buy a used rental.

[rikwynnpa]

My MT car will be delivered on Monday. Ill post pics then.

[boss2k]

Originally Posted by rikwynnpa

My MT car will be delivered on Monday. Ill post pics then.

Congrats can you let me know about the clutch feel, light or heavy and does it have configurable rev match on all modes?

[JlVETURKEY]

Originally Posted by boss2k

Congrats can you let me know about the clutch feel, light or heavy and does it have configurable rev match on all modes?

lol. The first thing I want to do when I get mine is permanently turn OFF rev matching. My feet work just fine.

[boss2k]

Originally Posted by JlVETURKEY

lol. The first thing I want to do when I get mine is permanently turn OFF rev matching. My feet work just fine.

The 1st thing I want to do is turn on rev matching as no one can do it as better as the car can , I want to know if it can be turned on/off on all modes

[stlcdr]

Originally Posted by Rcasa20

Playing devil’s advocate. If the break in is so important why do I get rental cars with less than 100 miles on the odometer every so often? Don’t the companies care or is it a risk they’re willing to take in order to earn money from mile 1?

I got a BMW X3 a couple of weeks ago in Italy. Brand new (they had just changed out the tires to all seasons). Lets just say 'break in period' was not something I was interested in. My personal car, I think I broke the rev 'limit' a couple of times as well as the speed limit, but was pretty gentle with it. If you are going to have it a while, there's no real hurry in that first 1200 miles.

BTW: that satin green is fantastic.

[JlVETURKEY]

Originally Posted by boss2k

The 1st thing I want to do is turn on rev matching as no one can do it as better as the car can , I want to know if it can be turned on/off on all modes

Computer based rev matching 🤢🤮 Just go buy an automatic at that point.

[Rcasa20]

Originally Posted by BEAR-AvHistory-2

Never could understand why people seem to have so much trouble with following break-in instructions.

Instant gratification & fueled by lack of self control?

As I mentioned before I do follow the procedures but I have a cuz and very good friend who are “master” techs at Mercedes and Dodge and neither have ever told me an issue boiled down to inappropriate break in. Just makes you wonder. The other side is I’ve heard liability is the reason it’s in there. Who knows.

[FrostyWinters]

Originally Posted by Rcasa20

As I mentioned before I do follow the procedures but I have a cuz and very good friend who are “master” techs at Mercedes and Dodge and neither have ever told me an issue boiled down to inappropriate break in. Just makes you wonder. The other side is I’ve heard liability is the reason it’s in there. Who knows.

I don't think these cars will survive long enough for any issues from inappropriate break-in procedures.

[BEAR-AvHistory-2]

Originally Posted by Rcasa20

As I mentioned before I do follow the procedures but I have a cuz and very good friend who are “master” techs at Mercedes and Dodge and neither have ever told me an issue boiled down to inappropriate break in. Just makes you wonder. The other side is I’ve heard liability is the reason it’s in there. Who knows.

With all due respect to the Master Mechanics how would they know what caused a scuffed main crank bearing to fail? Not doing break in, hard turn causing momentary low oil pressure fluctuation, poor maintenance etc?

We are dealing with that right now at the Cobra site. Guy was tracking his car & lost the engine on a fast long 180. The oil piled up in the corner of the stock oil pan, zero pressure, no more engine.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/show...360#post553360

My suggestion for next time is the MOROSO trap door pan I use to keep the pickup under the oil level under high G loads.



Was not a master dealer mechanic but was a school trained senior tracked vehicle recovery mechanic. Part of the training was rebuilding engines from jeeps to main battle tanks.

Our tow trucks.