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Car and Driver: LIGHTNING LAP 2019
https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...ning-lap-2019/
https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...storical-data/ Some surprises this year with how quick some cars were. Senna of course is king. GT3RS is now quicker than the 918!!! M2C cut 2.2 seconds off the last M2 tested. Enjoy
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The genesis was a bit of a surprise, otherwise, no big surprises IMO. ZL1 1LE is still a monster of a car. I can only guess what a superior chassis C8 Z06 is going to be like...
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10-11-2019, 10:52 AM | #3 |
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It has to be stated that the M2C has a DCT while the 2016 M2 they used was a manual. I'm not saying the M2C isn't an outright faster car around the track than the OG M2 but the DCT is padding that time a little bit.
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10-11-2019, 11:41 AM | #4 |
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It also has to be stated that there are multiple drivers of varying skill levels for the vehicles so all the results should be taken with a grain of salt, fun event anyway though.
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10-11-2019, 11:49 AM | #5 |
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M2c > supra for the same money. wish they would have had a model 3p there.
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10-11-2019, 12:43 PM | #6 |
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I'm sure they'll have a Model 3P there next year. This test is actually conducted in the early spring.
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They just bought a Model 3 for their Long-Term Test, although I'm not sure if its a Performance or Long Range trim, but they'll likely use their own vehicle for the lightening lap next year (like they did with their 2016 Model S). I don't think Tesla likes loaning vehicles to C/D, but you never know.
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wow M5 comp is that much faster than M2 comp, surprised given the weight on M5C
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10-11-2019, 10:52 PM | #11 |
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In term of performance sure but here's the problem. A typical Camaro buyer won't be able to afford a 75K car. Those buyers who can afford a 75K car probably will go for the C8. Most buyers probably buy only them purely for track usage and that's why it will have only limited appeal. Camaro tends to outperform Mustang but Mustangs usually outsell Camaros.
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10-11-2019, 11:48 PM | #12 |
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Camaro was nice as was the Camry. Wish they put some real tires in her. Maybe give that NSX a run. Funny how easy cars are to drive fast now.
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The mustangs haven't been serious about performance, except for the GT350 versions and finally the PP2. You can just look at how long it took them to spec proper tires on the thing. It's been a tough spot for Ford, with the SS 1LE beating the GT350 around a track and damn close to the R version, Ford would have had to undersell the GT350s, which they finally have with the PP2, but it's taken a while and they likely were in no hurry, because it would mean the end of the GT350. The GT350 was supposed to be their ZL1-class car, the race car beyond the regular mustang, but being in-between camaro generations, it gave Chevy the ability to easily best it. It seems like with the ZL1 1LE, Chevy was aiming for the Ford GT, but it keeps up with GT3s just fine too. If they didn't match the Ford, they got real, real close, for an insane fraction of the price. It's like Ford is out of sync and stuck in a reactionary position. Sure, they are coming out with their heavy 700+ HP mustang now, but Chevy already has the C7 ZR-1 and they are starting the game over with the C8. If you are going to track it, you better have several thousands of dollars for tires, brakes and the miscellaneous costs ![]()
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If you're going to buy the Camaro, be my guess. What does it have to do with what I said anyway. Quote:
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Ultimately you are right, it's about selling cars. That's why my hat is off to Chevy for focusing on performance vehicles for enthusiasts, over the last 10-15 years it's been the best of times, with the CTS/ATS-V, Z06s, ZR1s, SS, ZL1s, 1LE versions. Ford has simply chosen to not compete in many of these segments.
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Not cross shopping but rather buying them as additions. Over on Rennlist there is a couple long threads about the ZL1 1LE. Actually more praise than I would have expected, a few members have one in their stable as a track car along side their P-cars(which include GT3’s). I see them all the time at my track days, they are beasts.
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Today, it does seem that the all-out performance cars that are priced in the $50-$75K range are a tough sell. As others have pointed out, many of the new 3-series are not the performance versions, but 320 or 330i. We should all be grateful for the stellar options we have and that they're even being offered as we know making money is the manufacturers first priority. Back on topic: Lightning Lap keeps getting better and better every year. We can see the development of each vehicle as the years go by. Who would have thought that an NA, 500hp GT3RS would be quicker around a track than a 918 with almost twice the HP?!?! Hats off to all.
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I agree on the ZL1 1LE. It's an absolute monster. If/when BMW ever makes something that quick, they'll most likely charge twice the money.
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72 718 Cayman S: 2:58.3 85 BMW M2 Competition: 2:59.7 Unless my math is wrong, lower number is quicker?
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