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      07-07-2020, 04:46 PM   #1761
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^I don't believe the Z4 has won any comparison test when pitted against the Zupra.
It has with anyone that has purchased a Z4. I love my Z4 M40i and have been extremely happy with the purchase.
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      07-07-2020, 04:55 PM   #1762
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Quarterly sales numbers are in.

https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2020-u...sales-figures/

Supra
April: 231
May: 512
June: 538

Z4
April: 149
May: 332
June: 349

Total US sales
Supra: 5,178
Z4: 4,396
I forgot to add the Z4 had a 4 months head start against the Zupra. All things being equal, the Zupra would probably already be at 6-7k to the Z4's 4k.

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It has with anyone that has purchased a Z4. I love my Z4 M40i and have been extremely happy with the purchase.
I'm glad you are enjoin your purchase.
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      07-07-2020, 05:38 PM   #1763
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nah it's 2% lines of credit
Why not consider both? You realize different people have different situations, right?
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      07-07-2020, 07:41 PM   #1764
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Link below says 520ps or roughly 513hp.

https://twitter.com/kaminobestcar/st...965056/photo/1
Dope. Bring it with a manual and Iím sold
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      07-07-2020, 07:43 PM   #1765
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      07-08-2020, 07:44 AM   #1766
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The last Supra to be based on Soarer/SC chassis was able to shave off +/- 300lbs. I think a slightly under 4000lb LC based Supra would have been possible. IIRC, all the review videos on the LC didn't complaint about the way it handles. I believe most of them said it hides it's weight pretty well. Another reason was the price, a LC Supra would have cost more than the $50k starting price point of the J29. Toyota wanted this car to be affordable. Cheaper to reskin a $50k-$60k Z4 than to do the same on a $100k Lexus coupe.

It's funny that they approved the LC in the first place. It's sales are piss poor.
I think ultimately Toyota made the right call as a 4000 lb Supra at $80k+ would have likely been a poor seller. If you look at Japanese sports there's never really been a market for expensive ones. As much as we loved the original NSX and Supra TT sales were poor for both cars and absolutely nobody is buying the current NSX and Chevy sells more Corvettes in a month than Nissan sells GTR's annually. The price point of the current car is probably as high as it could be to still sell relatively well (which it is doing) and if Toyota would have actually built the Supra that the fanboys wanted, few people would actually buy it. In general catering to internet fanboys is a surefire way to build a car that will sell extremely poorly.
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nah it's 2% lines of credit
There's is nothing wrong with taking advantage of cheap money if you can actually afford it.

What's a better use of $50k?

Buy a Supra with cash so I have no debt? Buy it on 0% and invest the rest while making the payment.

Even fiduciaries say in most cases, paying your house off early is a poor, long-term financial move vs investing the extra principal.
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THat's not what I am saying though. I'm saying folks borrow on a LOC against the house and at 2% they use it.

It still feels like there's too much debt and this is gonna end in tears one day.
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That's the problem, people just run up the debt because they aren't being told they can't anymore. Or they just get bailed out like they always do.

Canadians are definitely taking advantage of the broken system.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7058667/c...hold-debt-177/
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THat's not what I am saying though. I'm saying folks borrow on a LOC against the house and at 2% they use it.

It still feels like there's too much debt and this is gonna end in tears one day.
That's just your speculation though.

Of course it is, we already a warning in 2008/9, but 10 years of good and everyone has forgotten. Add in subprime auto loans and that the government can't seem to print money fast enough.....

Shot guns, pit bulls, and a house in the country is next for us I think.
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Dope. Bring it with a manual and Iím sold
Will a DCT do? Some outlandish claims reported by BestCar via Google translate.

https://bestcarweb.jp/news/scoop/171830

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Finally grabbed!! Supra GRMN appearance information capture! Demonstrate 520 horsepower with the M3 engine!!!

■M3/M4 in-line 6-cylinder 3L turbo installed will be decided!!!
 The Supra powertrain is made by BMW. Then, of course, it is "M" that emerges as a high performance version.

 Exactly as it is, it was decided that the Supra GRMN, which will be introduced in 2023 in a limited number of 200, will be equipped with an inline 6-cylinder 3L turbo that will be installed in the M3/M4.

The current M4CS shows 460ps/61.2kgm, but the performance has been further improved for the next M4, and the maximum output for the Supra GRMN is 520ps and the maximum torque is 62kgm.

 The transmission to be combined is a 7-speed M-DCT, and it was said that the BMW side initially showed difficulty in supplying this powertrain to Toyota, but Tetsuya Tada said that it was achieved with the efforts of CE.

Naturally, the GR development team is fully committed to tuning chassis related to the high power unit, and the knowledge gained at the Nur 24 Hours race will be utilized to the maximum.

 What is interesting is that there is no plan to install this M unit in the BMW Z4, which was developed in parallel.

 On the BMW side, it seems that the aim is to utilize this performance with the new closed-body M3/M4 instead of the open Z4.

 There is also information that Supra will complete its model life in 2025 and that there will be no next model.

 The Supra GRMN, which will appear at least in 2023, will be the final edition of the current Supra. Is the price about 12 million yen?
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How would Toyota get a DCT for the S58 when BMW is using the ZF8? Seems fishy.
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