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View Poll Results: Where do you get your news?
CNN 49 35.00%
BBC 42 30.00%
Le Monde Diplomatique 2 1.43%
Los Angeles Times 7 5.00%
New York Times 21 15.00%
Reuters 27 19.29%
Salon.com 5 3.57%
The Washington Post 14 10.00%
Slate Magazine 4 2.86%
World Press Review 3 2.14%
Alter.Net 2 1.43%
Wall Street Journal 28 20.00%
Barron's 4 2.86%
Al Jazeera 10 7.14%
Truthout 3 2.14%
The Nation 3 2.14%
Free Speech TV 2 1.43%
Project Censored 2 1.43%
Media Matters 2 1.43%
The Daily Howler 2 1.43%
Adbusters 2 1.43%
Center for Media and Democracy's PR Watch 2 1.43%
Fox News 57 40.71%
MSNBC 14 10.00%
Local News 23 16.43%
NPR 19 13.57%
PBS News Hour 8 5.71%
Institute for Public Accuracy 2 1.43%
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      05-28-2014, 08:14 AM   #67
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Where much has been written about Fox News and Roger Ailes, perhaps it's a distraction for this:

http://freebeacon.com/columns/ready-to-smirk/

Note that they own NBC...
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Where much has been written about Fox News and Roger Ailes, perhaps it's a distraction for this:

http://freebeacon.com/columns/ready-to-smirk/

Note that they own NBC...
At least NBC didn't hack the phone of a dead 13 year old. Fox News has the DNA of News Corp all over it, not just Roger Ailles. The Faux News fans here can shout from the rooftops how much they think MSNBC or NPR are biased, but that will never be worse than the absolute horrific behavior News Corp has exhibited. I have no doubt their US counterpart is just as unethical.

edit: Please Faux News fans, defend the actions of News Corp.
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At least NBC didn't hack the phone of a dead 13 year old. Fox News has the DNA of News Corp all over it, not just Roger Ailles. The Faux News fans here can shout from the rooftops how much they think MSNBC or NPR are biased, but that will never be worse than the absolute horrific behavior News Corp has exhibited. I have no doubt their US counterpart is just as unethical.

edit: Please Faux News fans, defend the actions of News Corp.
Perhaps you missed that whole Trayvon thing, where NBC edited the 911 call recording? Or where they rigged the Chevy pickups to explode in their "expose?"
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Perhaps you missed that whole Trayvon thing, where NBC edited the 911 call recording?
A mistake which they retracted, and apologized for. Fired the two guys who made the mistake. A professional news organization. When does Fauxnews apologize? Fire someone for a mistake? Can you cite even one example?

Strictly a propaganda machine.

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Faux News, where "Some people say" is regarded as a legitimate news source.
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Perhaps you missed that whole Trayvon thing, where NBC edited the 911 call recording?
A mistake which they retracted, and apologized for. Fired the two guys who made the mistake. A professional news organization. When does Fauxnews apologize? Fire someone for a mistake? Can you cite even one example?

Strictly a propaganda machine.
Which they wouldn't have done if they hadn't got caught. Not sure how you turn this around to a FoxNews problem?
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Is NBC becoming objective??:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...der_obama.html
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I stumbled across Aljazeera America and FSTV the other day. I really enjoyed the programs I watched. I found the more comprehensive coverage they provided, as opposed to inflammatory soundbites, pleasant. It was clear from the content provided that they had a point of view, but the manner of presentation didn't fail to ask me to develop my own opinion rather than simply buying theirs. That alone is a plus in my book.

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Been watching RT recently, have found a lot of their programming more interesting than the others I have seen
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Been watching RT recently, have found a lot of their programming more interesting than the others I have seen
From Vladimir's mouth to your ears:

http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wo...-clears-it-up/
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This article reminded me of this thread - just in case anyone is doubtful about which way the mainstream media tilts:

http://eagnews.org/1000-member-secre...oup-uncovered/
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A mistake which they retracted, and apologized for. Fired the two guys who made the mistake. A professional news organization. When does Fauxnews apologize? Fire someone for a mistake? Can you cite even one example?

Strictly a propaganda machine.
Wasn't a mistake...it was deliberate. And they apologized because it greatly affected the context of the situation...and because they needed to try and boost their already low ratings.

MSNBC is to the left what is Fox is to the right.
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Wasn't a mistake...it was deliberate. And they apologized because it greatly affected the context of the situation...and because they needed to try and boost their already low ratings.

MSNBC is to the left what is Fox is to the right.
Except MSNBC has no viewers and is 85% opinion content. Fox News has a lot of opinion, but also has basic news reporting. A better anology is that CNN is a left wing version of Fox, and MSNBC is just way out on the fringe by itself.

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Except MSNBC has no viewers and is 85% opinion content. Fox News has a lot of opinion, but also has basic news reporting. A better anology is that CNN is a left wing version of Fox, and MSNBC is just way out on the fringe by itself.

I agree that MSNBC reports more opinion that it does actual news pieces. My point was that MSNBC's opinion is more focused on the far left political spectrum, just like Fox's is more focused on the far right.
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No Huffington Post option? hmm..
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No Huffington Post option? hmm..
I like the HP. They seem willing to address things that a whole lot of other mainstream media outlets won't.

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No Huffington Post option? hmm..
I like the HP. They seem willing to address things that a whole lot of other mainstream media outlets won't.

All the best.
Like hiring the ex-NFL player Donte Stallworth as their Politics Fellow covering National Security? Who thinks 9-11 was and inside job, was in the NFL's substance abuse program prior to killing a pedestrian with his Bentley, while drunk and high? He has no qualifications at all to cover the topic of National Security, other than being a threat. Can't wait to see what he writes.
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Would you really consider FOX as news? its a soap-opera at best.
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Like hiring the ex-NFL player Donte Stallworth as their Politics Fellow covering National Security? Who thinks 9-11 was and inside job, was in the NFL's substance abuse program prior to killing a pedestrian with his Bentley, while drunk and high? He has no qualifications at all to cover the topic of National Security, other than being a threat. Can't wait to see what he writes.


Well, I don't know Mr. Stallworth, nor anything about him. The thing about politics is that literally anyone can have a perspective on any issue, and there will surely be some community that shares it with them. One may agree or disagree with another's political viewpoints, but one can't call them invalid or wrong, although one can press them to make a cogent case for their position.

So long as Mr. Stallworth sticks to offering opinions that he can soundly support, accurately reports facts, and eschews rewriting the facts, there's little to say he's any better or worse than any other political pundit. As far as reporting news goes, the man's cognitive ability doesn't matter. The reporter's ideas, and those of the new organization, don't belong in a news story.

Being that news, not opinion, is about facts, just about anyone can present them, especially in writing, provided they can write at a 6th grade level. "Who, what, when, where" and "how," that is the realm of news. "Why" and "what the impact will be" is the land of commentary, except when a protagonist expressly offers the reason for their actions or beliefs.

Having said all that, I haven't knowingly read anything the man has written. I may share your view that he is a loon, but I don't think that his being one, and The HP hiring him, is a reason to discount the factual information he reports and that The HP publishes.

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Well, I don't know Mr. Stallworth, nor anything about him. The thing about politics is that literally anyone can have a perspective on any issue, and there will surely be some community that shares it with them. One may agree or disagree with another's political viewpoints, but one can't call them invalid or wrong, although one can press them to make a cogent case for their position.

So long as Mr. Stallworth sticks to offering opinions that he can soundly support, accurately reports facts, and eschews rewriting the facts, there's little to say he's any better or worse than any other political pundit. As far as reporting news goes, the man's cognitive ability doesn't matter. The reporter's ideas, and those of the new organization, don't belong in a news story.

Being that news, not opinion, is about facts, just about anyone can present them, especially in writing, provided they can write at a 6th grade level. "Who, what, when, where" and "how," that is the realm of news. "Why" and "what the impact will be" is the land of commentary, except when a protagonist expressly offers the reason for their actions or beliefs.

Having said all that, I haven't knowingly read anything the man has written. I may share your view that he is a loon, but I don't think that his being one, and The HP hiring him, is a reason to discount the factual information he reports and that The HP publishes.

All the best.
I agree with you in principle. Here are some of Stallworth's previous writings (they are tweets, as he has not written anything else, nor does he have a journalism degree) - you be the judge if he makes a cogent case, and if these serve as reasonable quals for Huffington Post to hire him:

in 2009: "NO WAY 9/11 was carried out by "dying" Bin Laden, 19 men who couldn't fly a damn kite. STILL have NO EVIDENCE Osama was connected, like Iraq"

in 2009: "Gggrrrrrrrrrrrrr @ ppl who actually believe a plane hit the pentagon on 9/11... hole woulda been ASTRONOMICALLY bigger, God bless lost lives"

in 2013: "Oops, I sent that tweet a little too early like the young lady from BBCNews on the collapse of building 7 on 9/11..."

in 2009: "WOW!!! Vaccines as Biological Weapons? Live Avian Flu Virus Placed in Baxter Vaccine Materials Sent to 18 Countries --> http://bit.ly/1Ijydw"

You may come to the conclusion, as I did, that this guy has no background in anything that he's been hired to do - none whatsoever - which calls into question who the HuffPo hires and why.
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I agree with you in principle. Here are some of Stallworth's previous writings (they are tweets, as he has not written anything else, nor does he have a journalism degree) - you be the judge if he makes a cogent case, and if these serve as reasonable quals for Huffington Post to hire him:

in 2009: "NO WAY 9/11 was carried out by "dying" Bin Laden, 19 men who couldn't fly a damn kite. STILL have NO EVIDENCE Osama was connected, like Iraq"

in 2009: "Gggrrrrrrrrrrrrr @ ppl who actually believe a plane hit the pentagon on 9/11... hole woulda been ASTRONOMICALLY bigger, God bless lost lives"

in 2013: "Oops, I sent that tweet a little too early like the young lady from BBCNews on the collapse of building 7 on 9/11..."

in 2009: "WOW!!! Vaccines as Biological Weapons? Live Avian Flu Virus Placed in Baxter Vaccine Materials Sent to 18 Countries --> http://bit.ly/1Ijydw"

You may come to the conclusion, as I did, that this guy has no background in anything that he's been hired to do - none whatsoever - which calls into question who the HuffPo hires and why.
First, I see every one of those quotes as merely statements and I know not one of them can be soundly supported in the space Twitter allows for tweets. I've heard other folks make similar assertions and though I lack the specific knowledge to refute their claims, I haven't found the fact pattern they provided to be strong enough to cause me to doubt the government's attestations about those events.

Based only on the statements you cited having been made via Twitter, and given their inflammatory nature, I have to believe the man made them more for effect, to stir up conversation and attention among a specific target audience, than because he's prepared to defend them in a manner that would withstand critical analysis. I could be wrong, but for now, that's what I think seeing as they are just statements of a position rather than arguments supporting a position.

All the best.

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TY for your concord with me on the principles I discussed earlier. Doing so confirms for me that you are at least a reasonable fellow insofar as this topic is concerned.
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