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      10-29-2021, 01:24 AM   #353
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Does the M550i have a VIN that starts with WBS or WBA?

Comparing a non-M car to an Audi to refute the opinion that M cars are not what they used to be makes no sense. Think about it.

I'll exemplify: if, for example, he tried to say "M cars used to be unique and exclusive, and far distant from the other non-M models", your example corroborates his assertion.
Oh I know what he means, he means M5/M3 (and not new ones typically) guy looking down on M2 guy. The "brand has been cheapened" thing
and it's less exclusive. You hear it a lot In M5 crowd. Rock your M2.
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If BMW says the car is M, its because M.
Maybe in the future BMW changes everything and the performance BMW cars will be called "S Performance".
For now BMW says "M for performance".
That means M= sport cars from BMW.
This is simple!

I dont know why some adults acting like kids from 5th grade here.
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If BMW says the car is M, its because M.
Maybe in the future BMW changes everything and the performance BMW cars will be called "S Performance".
For now BMW says "M for performance".
That means M= sport cars from BMW.
This is simple!

I dont know why some adults acting like kids from 5th grade here.
Too logical
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If BMW says the car is M, its because M.
Maybe in the future BMW changes everything and the performance BMW cars will be called "S Performance".
For now BMW says "M for performance".
That means M= sport cars from BMW.
This is simple!

I dont know why some adults acting like kids from 5th grade here.
Nice first post! Welcome to the forums!


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If BMW says the car is M, its because M.
Maybe in the future BMW changes everything and the performance BMW cars will be called "S Performance".
For now BMW says "M for performance".
That means M= sport cars from BMW.
This is simple!

I dont know why some adults acting like kids from 5th grade here.
Too logical
I get it. I thought people were discussing what constituted an M car.
While you have been trying to prove that your WBA VIN car is in fact produced by BMW M AG, because it's faster (sic) than an RS6.

More power to you! It's a nice car. Shouldn't have low self-esteem.
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The more fighting that goes on the better for BMW.

M used to be the top sporting line, but if everything is M than they will make an ///Mr Package even higher equipped than the "core M3 edition"
They already have the M Comp and M Comp Sport. They should've stuck with just M.

I have an M-sport 540i and my Bro-in-law keeps ragging on me because he expected me to buy an M5. He bought his wife an X1 M and thinks its an actual M because it has an M badge on the back. He drives an F-series 530i and says his car is better than mine because he gets better gas milage. BTW, he's a douche and no one except my sister-in-law and his daughter like him.
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This thread is brought to you by the letter 'M'.
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Nice first post! Welcome to the forums!




I get it. I thought people were discussing what constituted an M car.
While you have been trying to prove that your WBA VIN car is in fact produced by BMW M AG, because it's faster (sic) than an RS6.

More power to you! It's a nice car. Shouldn't have low self-esteem.
I have an M5 lol, I'm not sure I'm the one that licks old M labels and ties it to my self worth. Personal insults, the culture of BMW forums still alive and well I see.

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Nice first post! Welcome to the forums!




I get it. I thought people were discussing what constituted an M car.
While you have been trying to prove that your WBA VIN car is in fact produced by BMW M AG, because it's faster (sic) than an RS6.

More power to you! It's a nice car. Shouldn't have low self-esteem.
I have an M5 lol, I'm not sure I'm the one that licks old M labels and ties it to my self worth. Personal insults, the culture of BMW forums still alive and well I see.
Personal insult? Anyway, carry on as you've proven my point.
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You can argue semantics all you want but the M series 550i is under the M division of BMW, so technically that's not true except to guys have M cars that want to be some protected class. I don't care, I have both. But to say M cars aren't what they used to be when a non M5 smokes Audi's flagship RS6 is just people trying to hang on their old models and feel good. They aren't what they used to be he is right, they are better. A brand new M5 is vastly superior to my F10.
But the m5 can take corners and m550i cant

Thats the difference, and i dont think 'm550i is under M division' like you said
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Holy CRAP is that an Electric Company reference!? HA
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But the m5 can take corners and m550i cant

Thats the difference, and i dont think 'm550i is under M division' like you said
www.bmw-m.com

The m550i can't take corners like the M5, they can take corners.

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www.bmw-m.com

The m550i can't take corners like the M5, they can take corners.
They are trying to list SUVs as M cars, these arent M cars

M550i isnt an M car
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They are trying to list SUVs as M cars, these arent M cars

M550i isnt an M car
The X5 M competition isn't an M car...rightttttt
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But the m5 can take corners and m550i cant

Thats the difference, and i dont think 'm550i is under M division' like you said
www.bmw-m.com

The m550i can't take corners like the M5, they can take corners.
From your link:

"EXPERIENCE THE BMW M AUTOMOBILES."

-> M2-8,X3-6M

"More outstanding power."
-> M135i-Z4 M40i

I think you proved it yourself. An M550i is not an M automobile. Glad you agree now.
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The X5 M competition isn't an M car...rightttttt
Most of the M3/M5 car purest guys don't consider an M2 a proper M car either
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From your link:



"EXPERIENCE THE BMW M AUTOMOBILES."

-> M2-8,X3-6M

"More outstanding power."
-> M135i-Z4 M40i

I think you proved it yourself. An M550i is not an M automobile. Glad you agree now.
Here's the list that falls under the M category per BMW...take it up with them.

BMW M Automobiles: fuel consumption and CO2 emissions.

BMW M2 Competition:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 10.0 [9.2] (NEDC)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 227 [209] (NEDC)
The figures in brackets refer to the vehicle with seven-speed M double-clutch transmission with Drivelogic.


BMW M2 CS:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 10.4 [9.6] (NEDC)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 238 [219] (NEDC)
The figures in brackets refer to the vehicle with seven-speed M double-clutch transmission with Drivelogic.



BMW M3 Sedan:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 9.9-10.2 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 226-231 (WLTP)



BMW M3 Competition Sedan:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 9.6-9.8 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 219-224 (WLTP)



BMW M3 Competition Sedan with M xDrive:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 10.1-10.0 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 231-228 (WLTP)



BMW M4 Coupé:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 9.9-10.2 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 226-231 (WLTP)



BMW M4 Competition Coupé:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 9.6-9.8 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 219-224 (WLTP)



BMW M4 Competition Coupé with M xDrive:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 10.1-10.0 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 230-227 (WLTP)



BMW M4 Competition Convertible with M xDrive:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 10.2 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 233-231 (WLTP)


BMW M5:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 11.3 (NEDC) / 11.3-11.1 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 259 (NEDC) / 259-253 (WLTP)


BMW M5 Competition:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 11.3 (NEDC) / 11.3-11.1 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 259 (NEDC) / 259-253 (WLTP)


BMW M5 CS:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 11.3 (NEDC) / 11.3 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 258 (NEDC) / 256 (WLTP)


BMW M8 Coupé:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 11.2 (NEDC) / 11.4-11.2 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 258 (NEDC) / 260-257 (WLTP)


BMW M8 Competition Coupé:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 11.2 (NEDC) / 11.4-11.2 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 258 (NEDC) / 260-257 (WLTP)


BMW M8 Convertible:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 11.4 (NEDC) / 11.6-11.4 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 262 (NEDC) / 264-261 (WLTP)


BMW M8 Competition Convertible:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 11.4 (NEDC) / 11.6-11.4 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 262 (NEDC) / 264-261 (WLTP)


BMW M8 Gran Coupé:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 11.3 (NEDC) / 11.6-11.4 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 260 (NEDC) / 264-261 (WLTP)


BMW M8 Competition Gran Coupé:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 11.3 (NEDC) / 11.6-11.4 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 260 (NEDC) / 264-261 (WLTP)


BMW X3 M:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 11.0–10.6 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 251–241 (WLTP)

BMW X3 M Competition:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 11.0–10.6 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 251–241 (WLTP)

BMW X4 M:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 10.9–10.5 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 247–238 (WLTP)

BMW X4 M Competition:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 10.9–10.5 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 248–238 (WLTP)


BMW X5 M:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 13.3 (NEDC) / 13.6-13.3 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 303 (NEDC) / 308-303 (WLTP)


BMW X5 M Competition:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 13.3 (NEDC) / 13.6-13.3 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 303 (NEDC) / 308-303 (WLTP)


BMW X6 M:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 13.1 (NEDC) / 13.4-13.1 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 301 (NEDC) / 305-300 (WLTP)


BMW X6 M Competition:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 13.1 (NEDC) / 13.4-13.1 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 301 (NEDC) / 305-300 (WLTP)


BMW M135i xDrive:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 7.8-7.3 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 177-167 (WLTP)


BMW M235i xDrive Gran Coupé:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 6.7-6.3 (NEDC) / 7.8-7.1 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 154-145 (NEDC) / 177-162 (WLTP)


BMW M240i xDrive Coupé:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 8.8–8.1 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 200–185 (WLTP)


BMW M240i Convertible:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 7.5 (NEDC) / 8.8-8.7 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 173 (NEDC) / 202-199 (WLTP)


BMW M240i Convertible xDrive:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 8.2 (NEDC) / 9,1-9,0 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 187 (NEDC) / 209-206 (WLTP)


BMW M340i xDrive Sedan:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 7.0-6.6 (NEDC) / 8.2-7.5 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 161-152 (NEDC) / 188-172 (WLTP)


BMW M340d xDrive Sedan:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 5.6-5.3 (NEDC) / 6.5-5.9 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 147-139 (NEDC) / 171-155 (WLTP)


BMW M340i xDrive Touring:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 7.2-6.9 (NEDC) / 8.4-7.8 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 166-157 (NEDC) / 193-178 (WLTP)


BMW M340d xDrive Touring:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 5.7-5.4 (NEDC) / 6.7-6.1 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 150-141 (NEDC) / 177-160 (WLTP)

BMW M440i Coupé:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 8.1-7.4 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 184-167 (WLTP)


BMW M440i xDrive Coupé:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 7.1-6.8 (NEDC) / 8.2-7.5 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 163-155 (NEDC) / 186-170 (WLTP)


BMW M440i xDrive Convertible:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 7.4-6.9 (NEDC) / 8.4-7.8 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 169-159 (NEDC) / 192-177 (WLTP)

BMW M440d xDrive Convertible*:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 6.3 (NEDC)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 165 (NEDC)
*Predicted figures based on the WLTP test cycle.

BMW M440i xDrive Gran Coupé:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 8.5–8.0 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 194–181 (WLTP)



BMW i4 M50:
Electric power consumption in kWh/100 km (combined): 22.5–18.0 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 0 g
Electric Range in km: 416–521 (WLTP)



BMW M550i xDrive Sedan:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 10.1-9.9 (NEDC) / 11.0-10.3 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 233-227 (NEDC) / 250-235 (WLTP)


BMW M760Li xDrive:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 12.5-12.4 (NEDC)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 285-282 (NEDC)


BMW M850i xDrive Coupé:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 10.0-9.9 (NEDC) / 10.8-10.7 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 230-228 (NEDC) / 247-244 (WLTP)


BMW M850i xDrive Convertible:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 10.1-10.0 (NEDC) / 10.9-10.8 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 232-229 (NEDC) / 248-246 (WLTP)


BMW M850i xDrive Gran Coupé:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 10.2-10.1 (NEDC) / 11.0-10.9 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 234-232 (NEDC) / 252-248 (WLTP)


BMW X2 M35i:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 7.1-6.6 (NEDC) / 8.1-7.5 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 163-151 (NEDC) / 185-170 (WLTP)


BMW X3 M40i:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 9.5–8.7 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 217–199 (WLTP)

BMW X3 M40d:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 7.3–6.6 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 192–173 (WLTP)

BMW X4 M40i:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 9.5–8.7 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 216–198 (WLTP)


BMW X4 M40d:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 7.3–6.5 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 191–171 (WLTP)


BMW X5 M50i:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 10.9-10.5 (NEDC) / 12.3-11.5 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 251-242 (NEDC) / 281-263 (WLTP)


BMW X6 M50i:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 10.8-10.5 (NEDC) / 12.0-11.2 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 249-240 (NEDC) / 275-257 (WLTP)


BMW X7 M50i:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 11.2-11.0 (NEDC) / 12.8-12.3 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 258-252 (NEDC) / 292-280 (WLTP)


BMW Z4 M40i:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 7.2 (NEDC) / 8.0-7.9 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 164 (NEDC) / 182-181 (WLTP)
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The X5 M competition isn't an M car...rightttttt
I missed the cup races where they go around racing suvs

M = motorsport
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Most of the M3/M5 car purest guys don't consider an M2 a proper M car either
Ofc they do, those guys would prob fall under suv = m car category
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https://www.bmw-m.com/en/footer/meta...bmw-m-com.html

M. The most powerful letter in the world.
BMW M is part of an exceptional motorsport history and stands for a passion for high performance. One that can be felt every day – on the street or on the racetrack. What makes BMW M a trailblazer is the engineers' passion for combining authentic motorsport functionality with exclusive and sporty aesthetics.

The products are just as unique as the brand. Inspired by motorsport, the exclusively outfitted BMW M automobiles easily fulfil the highest demands for agility, dynamics and power.

list of BMW M Automobiles above
Cars built by BMW M, a subsidiary of BMW.

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M Performance automobiles – from the first metre – trigger maximum fascination. Without compromising, they [COLOR="DarkRed"]combine the best of a series with the dynamic genes of BMW M[/COLOR]. Finally, the BMW M Portfolio is topped up with BMW Individual which allows an unlimited expression of your personality through adding individual wishes.

list of BMW M Performance automobiles above
Series automobiles (i.e. BMW cars, not M cars, not built by the BMW M company) "combined with dynamic genes of M" (i.e. sport tuned chassis and drivetrain, with increased power output)

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This whole thread is proof why companies spend millions on marketing.

It never ceases to amaze me how impressionable people are to corporate marketing tricks.

I take the example of the m340i (which happens to be my daily driver). There is no 340i anymore. So the m340i isn't any higher on the totem pole than the 340i it replaced. BMW simply gave the 340i a tune, slapped an m in front of it, and now people are going ballistic debating its place within the "M" cars. Dynamically it's identical to the 330i. The M3 on the other hand is a totally different monster. Same story with the m550i. BMW replaced the outgoing 550i with an m550i. Yes it's got a more powerful motor, but it doesn't handle any better than the 540i, whereas the M5 is again a completely different monster.

Cars such as the m340i, m550i, etc are examples of BMW capitalizing on its brand power to increase interest on the outgoing 340i and 550i models by slapping m badges in front of their names. And don't come at me with "oh but the m340i has more power than the outgoing 340i". That's just natural progression between generations. The non m-sport g20 330i ALSO has more power/torque than the outgoing f30 330i.
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When I was shopping for 4-door coupes (panamera, 4door GT, and 8 series), I drove both the M8 and M850i, the only tangible difference I felt on the test drive with a bit of highway and street is that the M8 is considerably harsher even on "comfort"...

And the M8 dont' have the nice looking glass shifter (and no option for it)...

I think the Mx50i series are what Mercedes now called "AMG Tuned" 43/53s?

I mean I tried the 840i too, and right off the bat, the 850i was massively more "push" off the line than the 840i... but between the 850i and 8, I couldn't tell tbh...

tbh, BMW M companies build the car off the same assembly lines as normal BMW cars don't they? Last time I checked, the M5/M6 were build in Dingolfing Germany, same place where the 8 series are built.

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