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Medical doctors - Ethylene oxide and autoclave?
Q for MD and DDS. When practicing medicine did you have an autoclave and if so did you use ethylene oxide?
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Former tattoo artist. Very familiar with the autoclave. At no point did we ever use EO. Most likely, due to it not being required in that environment at that time. The regulations may have changed in the past 20 years though.
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I've been autoclaving for 40 years in my dental office. Ethylene oxide is pretty toxic stuff and does not clean the insides of handpieces adequately. It is easier on the instruments and does not cause rust.
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Thanks gents. I was curious. My hometown has a few retired dentists and MD's who are of similar age and who've all developed Parkinson's. I was trying to think of some commonality.
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Test the water at the nearest golf course?????
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Some of the doctors and dentists that I personally know play golf. The ground water near golf courses in these parts is tainted with years of fertilizer, weed killer, algaecide, etc.
Do they all use the same medical laundry service? Could it be a cleaning agent or sterilizing agent that they use on their garments and stuff?????
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I used to sterilize instruments for my father in the 1980's and I have been sterilizing my instruments since 1996. I have never used anything besides distilled water in a steam autoclave.
I do know that some older dentists used to place amalgam in their hands, without gloves, using mercury. That exposure could definitely lead to Parkinson's.
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Our town has an EPA superfund site that used to be a large uniform/garment laundry service in the region. There's a lot of stuff that was in common use in the not-so-distant past that we've learned isn't good for us.....
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We use the autoclave all the time. No EO is ever used. We autoclave biohazardous waste all the time. This includes a variety of viruses and bacteria. SARS-CoV-2 included as well, we also use the autoclave to clean up waste from BSL-3 facilities. We also use it to sterilize reusable items for work in our CoV diagnostic lab as well as our own viral infection research labs.
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Are they Veterans? The VA has much improved surveillance (and, if affected, service connected treatments) for many environmental exposures. Military bases were not governed by all those pesky environmental regulations, and there is growing awareness of fairly widespread exposure to PCB's, benzene, heavy metals, etc. Also a lot of this stuff in older medical/dental world (formaldehyde and organic solvents, radiation, lead/mercury, etc). IIRC, parkinsonian symptoms are often linked to the types of organic chemicals that are common in agriculture and industry, so the 'what is in the water' is a very real question - even with a central water supply, lots of that stuff can come right thru typical treatment systems.
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Search pubmed.gov to see if there's any research linking the 2. If there's research there, you can read up on it. If not, we probably don't know.
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