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      09-07-2018, 02:09 PM   #1057
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I'm not a big baller like others on this thread; I only had about $30k in Tesla stock. Pulled the plug and sold it all on July 17th when the stock was at about $320. Very happy with that decision in light of what the stock has done and Musk's antics.

it's so easy to get detached from figures on paper or on the PC screen. What I have to ask myself is: "If I met Musk in person, would I hand him $30k in cash and trust him to grow it for me?" The answer used to be "yes". It's now a resounding "no", for me personally.
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From your "purchase" of a "shit ton more" to now you have given back exactly the same amount you claim to have made on a percentage basis. $2m gain gone on top of $7-8mm loss? Easy come; easy go.
I DID happen to see FC4 respond to your original skepticism. He posted what looked like exactly what he needed to embarrass the crap out of you. Id advise to stop poking the bear... or whale in this case.
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nah, not true.
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      09-07-2018, 02:29 PM   #1060
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I DID happen to see FC4 respond to your original skepticism. He posted what looked like exactly what he needed to embarrass the crap out of you. Id advise to stop poking the bear... or whale in this case.
Agreed. It's gotten old. If FC4 is full of sh*t he knows it. If he's for real he bought a "shit ton" of stock at $350 that's now trading at $250. Ouch. Either way, it impacts my life zero.

Back to the topic of whether Tesla will be around in 10 years: Tesla needs to mature to the point where it can survive without Musk. it has to become profitable on its own and not rely on a charismatic leader to raise funds. I'd give Tesla a 25% chance of being around in 10 years.
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And now kids, it's Conspiracy Time!

Why (TF) would Musk do this? I find it hard to believe he is this igg-nint? He's had plenty of time and money to waste on blow and hookers way before now, but never did - Is there perhaps another reason?

Tesla has hit the 200k car mark, so the $7500 tax credit is gone for cars delivered after 1/1/2019. Just as the other carmakers are introducing their cars that qualify. So Tesla is bound to realize weaker sales - is this perhaps a convenient excuse for a stock "correction," as cover for a business reason?

Discuss amongst yourselves.
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I DID happen to see FC4 respond to your original skepticism.
Yeah. Clearly. He voluntarily showed us his "position" then later on posted and immediately deleted some nonsense but let the previous crap ride without deletion. All of us have been proven wrong. Either way TSLA has sold off and whether the trades are real or not the company is worse off than it was a couple weeks ago and that is what this thread is about not someone's paper trades or prop account.
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      09-07-2018, 09:21 PM   #1063
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I enjoy Rogan and a lot of his guests. Was optimistic Musk would be an interesting guest.

Listening to that was baaa-rutal.

I listened before the fallout and it still felt like I was watching a car accident.

I almost wonder if there is some intent behind running it into the ground - if you want to pull on a blunt and toss random thoughts around like he does, there are some significant possibilities on that being a thing.
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      09-08-2018, 12:36 PM   #1064
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I enjoy Rogan and a lot of his guests. Was optimistic Musk would be an interesting guest.

Listening to that was baaa-rutal.

I listened before the fallout and it still felt like I was watching a car accident.

I almost wonder if there is some intent behind running it into the ground - if you want to pull on a blunt and toss random thoughts around like he does, there are some significant possibilities on that being a thing.
You and bbbbmw should hang out.
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      09-13-2018, 10:58 AM   #1065
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      09-15-2018, 06:46 PM   #1066
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      09-16-2018, 05:35 AM   #1067
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Since your smartphone is your default key on the model 3 (which is awesome, imo Id much rather have that than carry yet another key around), thats kind of a silly story. A similar headline could read, BMW stolen using only its key!
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      09-16-2018, 02:39 PM   #1068
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And now kids, it's Conspiracy Time!

Tesla has hit the 200k car mark, so the $7500 tax credit is gone for cars delivered after 1/1/2019. Just as the other carmakers are introducing their cars that qualify. So Tesla is bound to realize weaker sales - is this perhaps a convenient excuse for a stock "correction," as cover for a business reason?

Discuss amongst yourselves.
I happen to agree they are on the verge of some real problems. With the $7,500 going away on 1/1/2019, I really think they are going to be forced into adjusting their prices accordingly. Will that be enough? I'm not so sure given the new cars coming on line that, while usually smaller, are much less expensive (because they retain the fed tax credit) and get comparable range (Chevy Bolt for instance).

My neighbor has two Tesla's, one full size and one of those 3 thingy's. He's on the "off peak" electrical usage plan with PG&E and, as such, he pays roughly $0.13 per KW to charge them. That sounds fairly good - just to keep the arithmetic easy, presume (just for the heck of it) his 75KW battery is completely drained - it costs him $9.75 to bring it up to full charge (75 times $0.13 per KWH.) leaving him with a range of 240 miles.

During the day his 20 solar panels soak up the sun and feed the grid. Presuming a 320 watt panel with a "loss" rate of 20%, they produce approximately 250 watts per hour on a good day - that's 5KW per day that's pumped back into the grid which PG&E buys back (I think it's once per year).

The bad news is that you aren't going to get that kind of power production during the winter months, the cost of the Tesla is far from cheap and by adding the cost of a solar panel installation, your ROI gets stretched way to far for me.

It would not surprise me if they are acquired by some other company.

Just my 2 cents.
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Since your smartphone is your default key on the model 3 (which is awesome, imo— I’d much rather have that than carry yet another key around), that’s kind of a silly story. A similar headline could read, “BMW stolen using only its key!”
Not quite.

It clearly shows Tesla failed as a key can only be assigned to their rightful owners.
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      09-16-2018, 03:36 PM   #1070
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My neighbor has two Tesla's, one full size and one of those 3 thingy's. He's on the "off peak" electrical usage plan with PG&E and, as such, he pays roughly $0.13 per KW to charge them. That sounds fairly good - just to keep the arithmetic easy, presume (just for the heck of it) his 75KW battery is completely drained - it costs him $9.75 to bring it up to full charge (75 times $0.13 per KWH.) leaving him with a range of 240 miles.
I realize this was napkin math, but keep in mind that the charging process itself experiences loss. Depending on a multitude of factors this charging loss is anyplace from 20% to 60%.
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roughly 10$ for 240 miles.......
That's barely more impressive than a new Prius rated at 58 mpg Highway
you can definitely go beyond 60mpg on a good flat stretch of rd on Cruise Control
that's 4 gallons of gas to get the same range
avg gas in the US now is around 2.85/Gallonx4 = $11.40 for 240 miles
I'd take the $23k Prius with
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roughly 10$ for 240 miles.......
That's barely more impressive than a new Prius rated at 58 mpg Highway
you can definitely go beyond 60mpg on a good flat stretch of rd on Cruise Control
that's 4 gallons of gas to get the same range
avg gas in the US now is around 2.85/Gallonx4 = $11.40 for 240 miles
I'd take the $23k Prius with
Lol at comparing a Prius to a Tesla...

And your napkin math is even worse than the above, as no Prius has ever been rated at 58 mpg highway.

They are rated at 54 city... I highly doubt they'd do 58 on the highway.
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Lol at comparing a Prius to a Tesla...

And your napkin math is even worse than the above, as no Prius has ever been rated at 58 mpg highway.

They are rated at 54 city... I highly doubt they'd do 58 on the highway.


The Family Prius gets 62 city and about 59 Highway on a trip from here to Glendale AZ
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It's not a stretch
As for the 240 range in the Tesla...might go down a lot if its very cold so yea
Id rather drive the Prius
feels more like a car and not a toy
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Elon sued for libel and slander by British cave diver he called a "pedo guy".

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/e...175751334.html

Elon is unhinged. Who would trust this guy with their money?
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Elon sued for libel and slander by British cave diver he called a "pedo guy".

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/e...175751334.html

Elon is unhinged. Who would trust this guy with their money?
He didn't lose the lawsuit yet, how are you making any claims?
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He didn't lose the lawsuit yet, how are you making any claims?
What claims do you think I'm making that hinge on the success or failure of the lawsuit?
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He didn't lose the lawsuit yet, how are you making any claims?
What claims do you think I'm making that hinge on the success or failure of the lawsuit?
You said he's unhinged, as if that's a negative thing, and corroborated that thought with a rhetorical affirmation that you wouldn't trust him with your money.

The connection was made with him being sued.
Anyone can be sued for any reason. I don't get the connection.
I'd agree he needed to be more careful had he lost the lawsuit. Did he?
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You said he's unhinged, as if that's a negative thing, and corroborated that thought with a rhetorical affirmation that you wouldn't trust him with your money.

The connection was made with him being sued.
Anyone can be sued for any reason. I don't get the connection.
I'd agree he needed to be more careful had he lost the lawsuit. Did he?
Yes, unhinged is a negative thing. At least that was my intent; to paint him in a negative light. Make no mistake about my comment, being "unhinged" equates to being mentally incapable of running a successful global car company. That's my opinion and it has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not he prevails in this lawsuit. It has everything to do with the fact that he's in this lawsuit at all. That he took the time to get into a Twitter pissing contest with a rescue diver instead of focusing on Tesla which continues to miss production targets, continues to miss shipment targets, continues to miss quality targets, and continues to bleed top brass. All the while, Elon has the audacity to think he can do this all himself. He needs to put down the flamethrowers, put down the bong, and focus on getting his company back on track.

So no, I don't trust him with my money. Fee free to disagree and throw every penny you have at him it's your right to do so. Feel free to disagree that he's mentally unstable. I dont know him personally and I'm not a shrink, so I'm wholly unqualified to determine if he's actually unstable, but he APPEARS unstable enough to have me question his capacities and thus I pulled my money out. Invest away if you disagree with me. You do you.
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