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One of the things I find fascinating is how people compare the Z4 to the Supra as if they are the same other than the HP, manual vs. auto and handling, etc. I suppose it’s a valid academic exercise, but do folks actually find both equally visually appealing? Not to mention the minor point that only one is a convertible.
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I completely agree and understand that, but I’m saying if you were in the market for a car, I would think you would visually prefer one significantly more than the other just because they are fundamentally different In appearance and the relative performance specs wouldn’t be the overriding factor in the decision. But as my wife often tells me, I’m not always right...
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Not this discussion again! Not an "S" engine, not a real ///M. All others, just good ///Marketing to squeeze more money out of us for how any BMW should be spec'd in my opinion. That said, I am happy with my "fake" ///M.
I for one have owned "real" ///M cars and can tell you while these ///M performance vehicles are very good, a "real" ///M car is just better in refined performance and balanced driving dynamics/suspension, etc. Go drive one, you'll see. Since the G29 will never have a "real" ///M version, we'll have to be happy with the "fake" ///M40! |
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I personally think that "M" has slowly become more and more diluted, I mean pretty much every car comes with an M Sport trim package with M badges.
The modern day high end BMW cars are the CS cars (competition sport). Also agree with another poster previous - the Z4 is a true, to the core, SPORTS CAR, everything about its design screams sports, fun and speed. 2 seater roadster with amazing handling, lightweight for fast acceleration, low to the ground. The G29 especially was built so well, really proud to be an owner |
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Interesting to see peoples thoughts here. For my £0.02 I have owned:- F22 M235i MPerformance (also an F87 M2) F15 X5 M50D MPerformance G01 X3 M40D MPerformance F40 M135i MPerformance Plus F80 M3 and F82 M4 for comparison. For me the M series chassis and experience is a notable notch up in performance orientation. For the record I dont really like BMW classing the M Perforamce cars as M in the configurator too. My preference of the MPerformance and the Ms is the ..... MPerformace series. For my use case a much better balance in the car.
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If you read it carefully, my discussion was not about if it's possible to put S58 on G29, its about it does not make sense to put S58 into current G29. It's not all about how much power you have, it's the overall balance for the purpose.
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I sold my Jaguar F Type V8S (which had about 510hp and was a very quick car) to get my Z4 because I wanted a smaller, lighter and more dynamic car and it delivered. I knew I was going backwards on straight line performance and raw power but I was surprized at how little I gave up - the extra 100 hp was partially offset by the 300 - 400 lbs lighter weight. Anyhow, I'm happy. Dave |
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I don't really appreciate the 4. 2 for fun. 6/8 for large.
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Forgot what the 2014 435 with the power back was. My 2011 335is was 320BHP advertised but ran 319/321 on a Dynojet pure stock. Ran a best of 13.0 & 110mph. Had a 7 second overboost function built in that raised the torque to 370ftlbs. The 435 with the pack was quicker. The 2 would be better on a moonshine road but in a pure factory stock straight acceleration contest the 440 would (did) win. Like the idea of the small agile 2 series, still have a 2013 135is 6MT convertible with a JB4 tune. The 135is was the then current 3 series coupe/convertible with a section cut out to shorten it. You can see how the 3/4 series has grown by comparing the 135 & Z4. Think the new 2022 M240 AWD B58 @ 382BHP will be a very good package & will have to see where it drives the M2 performance too. In the one up contest my oldest daughter is waiting on the Pig Snout M4 Convertible to be released. Very unhappy the MT has been canned. Her personal ride since high school has been a MT, mostly convertibles. We always take the PCD in Greer with the current buyer and the non-buyer as the guest. We would never think about a competition with each other on the various exercises.
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