[TAZ007]

Originally Posted by BEAR-AvHistory

Depends on the 2 & the 4. Had a 2014 435 & 2018 440. Both had the performance pack which brought the 440 to 355BHP advertised.

Forgot what the 2014 435 with the power back was. My 2011 335is was 320BHP advertised but ran 319/321 on a Dynojet pure stock. Ran a best of 13.0 & 110mph. Had a 7 second overboost function built in that raised the torque to 370ftlbs. The 435 with the pack was quicker.

The 2 would be better on a moonshine road but in a pure factory stock straight acceleration contest the 440 would (did) win.

Like the idea of the small agile 2 series, still have a 2013 135is 6MT convertible with a JB4 tune. The 135is was the then current 3 series coupe/convertible with a section cut out to shorten it. You can see how the 3/4 series has grown by comparing the 135 & Z4.



Think the new 2022 M240 AWD B58 @ 382BHP will be a very good package & will have to see where it drives the M2 performance too.

In the one up contest my oldest daughter is waiting on the Pig Snout M4 Convertible to be released. Very unhappy the MT has been canned. Her personal ride since high school has been a MT, mostly convertibles.

We always take the PCD in Greer with the current buyer and the non-buyer as the guest. We would never think about a competition with each other on the various exercises.

Nice writeup and garage.

My comparison is strictly 2015. I did compare a M235 coupe and 435 coupe. The 2 was better rounded, quicker, and tighter in the corners than that 4. With the current offerings, I believe you are right with the upcoming M240.

I also agree they should have never canned the 6MT.

[BMWGirlFL]

Anyone have thoughts on likely G42/G87 agility/handling compared to the G29?

[FrozenGT]

When I purchased my MY20 M2 Competition last year. My car came with new M owners package. This package gives you one day at BMW driving school at their headquarters located in S.C. The purpose of this is so you can drive all the performance cars that BMW has made on a track environment so you can really engage with the vehicle and learn its limits. I drove the 2020 Z4 M40i out on the track. I also had test driven this car before I purchased my M2 competition. Yes the Mpack you get on the Z4 helps with making it very fun to drive but it will not give you that core driving experience M fans look for. M cars are designed to be driven hard and give you a very track focused driving experience but be comfortable as a daily driver. So it's asinine to say that M cars cannot be daily drivers or are not comfortable to drive on a regular street Roads- this is totally untrue.

I drove the Z4 back to back there was a little bit of transmission lag due to the eight speed automatic but when you push the car hard you can feel the car struggling to maintain momentum as it constantly wanted to oversteer into corners. Also brake fade was there creeping up as tires and brakes got hot again this is not a track focused vehicle but it is a nice car for people looking to have fun on some back roads on a summer day.

There's no reason to get upset because this car is not an M car but an M performance vehicle. BMW tuned the Z4 Mpack into something everyone could enjoy! Be proud of what you have purchased-

The B58 is a great engine as all BMW In-line 6s are.

M Cars as follows-

MPERFORMANCE Cars
M Cars/ Standard M/ M Comp/ M CS or CSL

The Z4 does not need 500HP- it's beautiful as is!

[TAZ007]

Originally Posted by FrozenGT

When I purchased my MY20 M2 Competition last year. My car came with new M owners package. This package gives you one day at BMW driving school at their headquarters located in S.C. The purpose of this is so you can drive all the performance cars that BMW has made on a track environment so you can really engage with the vehicle and learn its limits. I drove the 2020 Z4 M40i out on the track. I also had test driven this car before I purchased my M2 competition. Yes the Mpack you get on the Z4 helps with making it very fun to drive but it will not give you that core driving experience M fans look for. M cars are designed to be driven hard and give you a very track focused driving experience but be comfortable as a daily driver. So it's asinine to say that M cars cannot be daily drivers or are not comfortable to drive on a regular street Roads- this is totally untrue.

I drove the Z4 back to back there was a little bit of transmission lag due to the eight speed automatic but when you push the car hard you can feel the car struggling to maintain momentum as it constantly wanted to oversteer into corners. Also brake fade was there creeping up as tires and brakes got hot again this is not a track focused vehicle but it is a nice car for people looking to have fun on some back roads on a summer day.

There's no reason to get upset because this car is not an M car but an M performance vehicle. BMW tuned the Z4 Mpack into something everyone could enjoy! Be proud of what you have purchased-

The B58 is a great engine as all BMW In-line 6s are.

M Cars as follows-

MPERFORMANCE Cars
M Cars/ Standard M/ M Comp/ M CS or CSL

The Z4 does not need 500HP- it's beautiful as is!

Good feedback, thanks. I agree with you. I chose the Z4 M40 over the M2 competition because I do not drive on a track and rarely drive hard. Also, the latter is not a vert and that is a must.

[BEAR-AvHistory]

Originally Posted by FrozenGT

When I purchased my MY20 M2 Competition last year. My car came with new M owners package..............There's no reason to get upset because this car is not an M car but an M performance vehicle. BMW tuned the Z4 Mpack into something everyone could enjoy! Be proud of what you have purchased-

The B58 is a great engine as all BMW In-line 6s are.

M Cars as follows-

MPERFORMANCE Cars
M Cars/ Standard M/ M Comp/ M CS or CSL

The Z4 does not need 500HP- it's beautiful as is!

Nice write up. Just a few points. What's to get upset about?

Nürburgring Nordschleife lap times would suggest the Z4 is not exactly a slug on a road course.

Best pure stock Z4 M40i time is 7:55:41 while three non competition M2's ran 7:58, 8.01 & 8.07.

https://youtu.be/v-vKs-T0Oa0

Z4 M40I 7:55:41 run.

This car is the 340BHP Euro Spec version not the USA 382BHP. Expect a bit more power could knock a few tenths off the time & move up to second place?

NOTE the driver that set the top time for the M2 CS also drove the Z4


BMW M2 CS (F87) Christian Gebhardt 7:42.99
BMW M2 Competition (F87) unknown 7:52.36
BMW Z4 M40i (G29) Christian Gebhardt 7:55.41
BMW M2 (F87) unknown 7:58.00
BMW M2 unknown 8:01.00
BMW M2 unknown 8:05.00


The M2CS is quicker but the Z4 will acquit itself very well on the track. Maybe you had a puppy at Greer when you drove the Z4?

Comments after the vid are very complementary to the non ///M car which at 340BHP is giving away over 104BHP to the M2CS.

Spec racing. The Z4 is 0.1 quicker to 60 than the M2CS. The M2CS is 0.2 quicker in the 1/4 mile. Suggests the transmission is not really all that bad.

Think it will take the 2022 AWD & S58 to give it the performance separation BMW would like it to have.

[Designer003]

Originally Posted by BMWGirlFL

Anyone have thoughts on likely G42/G87 agility/handling compared to the G29?

Interesting topic!

Hard top are always better in structure rigidity and stability than soft tops. So in terms of precision cornering, G42/G87 would have the advantage. However I am pretty sure G29 is lighter and lower than G42. It also largely depends on the set up/tune/package as well.

For sport precision handling,
G87 > G42Mperformance > J29 GR > G29 M40i is my guess...

[BMWGirlFL]

Originally Posted by Designer003

Interesting topic!

Hard top are always better in structure rigidity and stability than soft tops. So in terms of precision cornering, G42/G87 would have the advantage. However I am pretty sure G29 is lighter and lower than G42. It also largely depends on the set up/tune/package as well.

For sport precision handling,
G87 > G42Mperformance > J29 GR > G29 M40i is my guess...

I don't know how to translate dimension differences, especially wheelbase.

Originally Posted by lemetier

F22 + 51mm with regards to the wheelbase. Overall length is just over 4500mm; comes mainly from the small increase in wheelbase and aerodynamic parts.

Originally Posted by Artemis

Brother from another mother, lengthwise: E46 M3.

[DPelletier]

Originally Posted by BEAR-AvHistory

Nice write up. Just a few points. What's to get upset about?

Nürburgring Nordschleife lap times would suggest the Z4 is not exactly a slug on a road course.

Best pure stock Z4 M40i time is 7:55:41 while three non competition M2's ran 7:58, 8.01 & 8.07.

https://youtu.be/v-vKs-T0Oa0

Z4 M40I 7:55:41 run.

This car is the 340BHP Euro Spec version not the USA 382BHP. Expect a bit more power could knock a few tenths off the time & move up to second place?

NOTE the driver that set the top time for the M2 CS also drove the Z4


BMW M2 CS (F87) Christian Gebhardt 7:42.99
BMW M2 Competition (F87) unknown 7:52.36
BMW Z4 M40i (G29) Christian Gebhardt 7:55.41
BMW M2 (F87) unknown 7:58.00
BMW M2 unknown 8:01.00
BMW M2 unknown 8:05.00


The M2CS is quicker but the Z4 will acquit itself very well on the track. Maybe you had a puppy at Greer when you drove the Z4?

Comments after the vid are very complementary to the non ///M car which at 340BHP is giving away over 104BHP to the M2CS.

Spec racing. The Z4 is 0.1 quicker to 60 than the M2CS. The M2CS is 0.2 quicker in the 1/4 mile. Suggests the transmission is not really all that bad.

Think it will take the 2022 AWD & S58 to give it the performance separation BMW would like it to have.

Thanks for saving me the typing; despite anyone's seat of the pants opinion, the numbers speak for themselves. I'll say it again; call it whatever you like but fast is fast and this car is fast.



Dave

[BEAR-AvHistory]

Originally Posted by DPelletier

Thanks for saving me the typing; despite anyone's seat of the pants opinion, the numbers speak for themselves. I'll say it again; call it whatever you like but fast is fast and this car is fast.

Dave

There have always been some interesting comments among the pure M & almost M Guys & Girls. My oldest daughter is a pure M & I have been an almost M.

Fun times when we do Greer SC together.

Think in some cases BMW has let the almost M cars creep very close to the pure M cars. The current Z4 M40 & M2 are a case in point.

One of the bones of contention is I can beat you in a traffic light Grand Prix vs I can beat you on the road course.

Since 99% of any real competition between most cars is the TLGP power to traction is king.

The performance will spread out when the new generation M2 is released provided it has the traction to convert the power to motion.

AWD will be a requirement more than just an Northern snow option.

BTW realize you are in Canada but I went to High School with a classmate named Dan Pelletier. Yours is the only time I have seen your family name since 1959. You have any relatives in New Jersey?

[DPelletier]

Originally Posted by BEAR-AvHistory

There have always been some interesting comments among the pure M & almost M Guys & Girls. My oldest daughter is a pure M & I have been an almost M.

Fun times when we do Greer SC together.

Think in some cases BMW has let the almost M cars creep very close to the pure M cars. The current Z4 M40 & M2 are a case in point.

One of the bones of contention is I can beat you in a traffic light Grand Prix vs I can beat you on the road course.

Since 99% of any real competition between most cars is the TLGP power to traction is king.

The performance will spread out when the new generation M2 is released provided it has the traction to convert the power to motion.

AWD will be a requirement more than just an Northern snow option.

BTW realize you are in Canada but I went to High School with a classmate named Dan Pelletier. Yours is the only time I have seen your family name since 1959. You have any relatives in New Jersey?

Yes, I didn't realize the derision the M40i would sometimes get from the BMW faithful, though I guess I should have; it was no different with our "not a real AMG" GLC43AMG. Not having been a long time BMW fanboy, I didn't realize the stigma.....

I thought about buying an M4 convertible but ultimately, after a testdrive, I decided that I wanted something smaller and lighter and the Z4 M40i fit the bill....as far as power and speed goes, both were a step backwards from my Jag F type. I didn't bother trying an M2 'cause I was only interested in a convertible. Just about bought an X5M a couple months ago too but went with a new Range Rover instead.

....I guess I tend to judge a car on how it looks and feels along with benchmark performance figures rather than rely on what badge it has.

I'm not aware of any relatives in NJ but Pelletier is like Smith but in French! LOL......three times I've run accross other Dave Pelletiers....in fact, I had an interesting conversation with Canadian olympic gold medalist figure skater, Jaime Sale who was married to another David Pelletier.


Cheers,
Dave

[Paul G29]

I raced 2xM2 Comp on the race track a few weeks ago. No real issues keeping their pace. Since the M40i is more of a cruiser (as they say) and definitely not an M car (who cares...) ----- WHAT A PACKAGE!!!!

[Axix23]

I think since the new z4 didn’t have a m. The m40i is the m car for the z4.
I can see it on the other models like 3 series, x3, and etc. Where there actually is a M car for those cars.

[TAZ007]

Originally Posted by Axix23

I think since the new z4 didn’t have a m. The m40i is the m car for the z4.
I can see it on the other models like 3 series, x3, and etc. Where there actually is a M car for those cars.

Well, in 2015 they said the same for the M235 and then 2 years later there was an M2. This begs the question if there will be a Z4M in the next 2 years or when the current model ends it's life cycle around 2025.

Regardless, I am not one to wait for hopefuls and the current Z4M40 is enough sport for me.

[Axix23]

Originally Posted by TAZ007

Well, in 2015 they said the same for the M235 and then 2 years later there was an M2. This begs the question if there will be a Z4M in the next 2 years or when the current model ends it's life cycle around 2025.

Regardless, I am not one to wait for hopefuls and the current Z4M40 is enough sport for me.

Most definitely!!! I rarely see any new z4 or even z4m40i riding around.

[TAZ007]

Originally Posted by Axix23

Most definitely!!! I rarely see any new z4 or even z4m40i riding around.

I agree, like the 2 Series; they seem to be a rare bird on the roads.

[BEAR-AvHistory]

Originally Posted by Paul G29

I raced 2xM2 Comp on the race track a few weeks ago. No real issues keeping their pace. Since the M40i is more of a cruiser (as they say) and definitely not an M car (who cares...) ----- WHAT A PACKAGE!!!!

Yeah, I think for whatever reason the Z4 M40i is definitely under rated as a performance car.

My example is my old Boxster 718S which my youngest daughter now has. Was doing some backwoods moonshine road runs with my son in law & the Z4 had no issues keeping up with the Porsche.

I could close up on him any time I wanted two. When we switch cars the Z4 was still quicker as I would fall behind in the Boxster & was not able to close up.

As these were country roads not VIR we were not running all out just quickly.

Think it takes pro drivers to get any real separation among the cars in this class.

[Designer003]

Originally Posted by BMWGirlFL

I don't know how to translate dimension differences, especially wheelbase.

Ahaha lots of conversion and physics work!
Easiest way to compare is to drive it and experience it yourself.
Aside of professional reviews, there are also personal preference.

I scratched my z4 day 2 days ago, and it takes a week to repair.
I found out door and rear fender panel is made out of aluminum. Wooo no wonder car is so light and center of gravity is so low.

Now I am driving AMG GTS till I get my z4 is back, but I can tell you Z4 feels so much more agile, responsive and fun. I can't wait to get my car back!

[Horseman]

For those of you with a legit M and/or a M40i.

How do you feel about a 30i strutting around with a bunch of M badges? License plate frames.. side panels.. all that stuff. Seeing if there is a stigma about it.

[TAZ007]

Originally Posted by Horseman

For those of you with a legit M and/or a M40i.

How do you feel about a 30i strutting around with a bunch of M badges? License plate frames.. side panels.. all that stuff. Seeing if there is a stigma about it.

Honestly brother, I could give 2 @#$% about it. What you do with you property, is none of my business.

[Amadeo]

Originally Posted by Horseman

For those of you with a legit M and/or a M40i.

How do you feel about a 30i strutting around with a bunch of M badges? License plate frames.. side panels.. all that stuff. Seeing if there is a stigma about it.

Well, here we even have 20i.
So what, we are all on the same team.

[Kwajtrader]

Originally Posted by Horseman

For those of you with a legit M and/or a M40i.

How do you feel about a 30i strutting around with a bunch of M badges? License plate frames.. side panels.. all that stuff. Seeing if there is a stigma about it.

Live the dream… But I would slow down on all the purchases and leave something for the rest of us to buy

[Horseman]

Originally Posted by Kwajtrader

Live the dream… But I would slow down on all the purchases and leave something for the rest of us to buy

Hah!!! Gonna have all mah accessories ready to goooooooooooo!!!