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      04-11-2021, 07:37 PM   #639
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Why would this be the last M car with a manual?

I think BMW will keep making a manual M car as long if there's a market for one. As long as the net emissions by the manufacturer meet whatever standard is set by the country they're selling in, which if hypothetically 80% of the model range is electric, would be plenty of ICE manual cars that BMW could build.

Isn't the M2 almost 50/50 take rate between manual and DCT? Why lose out on that market share?
That market you speak of is a drop in the bucket compared to the more mainstream cars BMW sell so I'm nowhere as confident as you are that they will keep making it available past the G87 LCI (EOP 2029 I believe? ).

While the take rate is quite high in the US for manual M's which is wonderful, I can also point out that the new M3/4 are not available with a manual in some pretty big markets such as the UK and China.

We've already seen AMG announcing they're going with PHEVs imminently, I have a hard time believing that in almost 10 years, the M2/3/4 will not follow same path. At that point, would they develop an iteration of the S58 with a manual that's a PHEV at the same time? Or maybe make the Comp PHEV and base regular ICE?

Maybe I'm being a little pessimistic, but I think the time for the type of cars I grew up loving is coming to an end. Hope to be proven wrong.
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Why would this be the last M car with a manual?

I think BMW will keep making a manual M car as long if there's a market for one. As long as the net emissions by the manufacturer meet whatever standard is set by the country they're selling in, which if hypothetically 80% of the model range is electric, would be plenty of ICE manual cars that BMW could build.

Isn't the M2 almost 50/50 take rate between manual and DCT? Why lose out on that market share?
That market you speak of is a drop in the bucket compared to the more mainstream cars BMW sell so I'm nowhere as confident as you are that they will keep making it available past the G87 LCI (EOP 2029 I believe? ).

While the take rate is quite high in the US for manual M's which is wonderful, I can also point out that the new M3/4 are not available with a manual in some pretty big markets such as the UK and China.

We've already seen AMG announcing they're going with PHEVs imminently, I have a hard time believing that in almost 10 years, the M2/3/4 will not follow same path. At that point, would they develop an iteration of the S58 with a manual that's a PHEV at the same time? Or maybe make the Comp PHEV and base regular ICE?

Maybe I'm being a little pessimistic, but I think the time for the type of cars I grew up loving is coming to an end. Hope to be proven wrong.
I think there will be a buttload of tech crammed into these cars, so yeah in that sense cars won't be like the cars you/we may have grown up with, they'll be infinitely more complicated, but I don't see BMW not offering at least one manual sports car option for drivers.

I'll be the optimist.
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I have not seen G87 in person yet. The standard 2er G42 uses this
Three Car mix in its structure. I have learned this is expensive to complete but are doing it in regards to the goodwill brought by the M2. ( See they can be nice)
Had they not then the whole 2er Would have been driven by its front wheels.
One quote I have heard is that it's a Z4 Coupe.
What do you think then, the chances of seeing an LCI Z4 manual, or Z4M car since its on the same CLAR platform?
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What do you think then, the chances of seeing an LCI Z4 manual, or Z4M car since its on the same CLAR platform?
Probably 0 because the Z4 (predictably) sold like -5 units .

People don't want a tourer from BMW. It should have driven like the Supra and been available with a manual and it would have done better. Still, it's a dying segment and they would never beat Porsche anyway.
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What do you think then, the chances of seeing an LCI Z4 manual, or Z4M car since its on the same CLAR platform?
Zero.
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What do you think then, the chances of seeing an LCI Z4 manual, or Z4M car since its on the same CLAR platform?
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Probably 0 because the Z4 (predictably) sold like -5 units .

People don't want a tourer from BMW. It should have driven like the Supra and been available with a manual and it would have done better. Still, it's a dying segment and they would never beat Porsche anyway.
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Zero.
A slightly detuned S58 (a la G87 M2 variant) with a 6MT in a Supra though...there's a beast! Sadly, that's too obvious for BMW to green light.
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A slightly detuned S58 (a la G87 M2 variant) with a 6MT in a Supra though...there's a beast! Sadly, that's too obvious for BMW to green light.
A 718 Spyder fighter...

Too niche for the current guys wielding the big stick I guess

Spending on EVs and Hybrids are what’s keeping them in the job
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