06-23-2020, 04:04 AM | #67 |
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1. Volvo has had this for years now.
2. This is so intuitive, i wonder why it took them so long to do. We do everything with our phones these days, why would i want that bulky BMW key with the laggy screen? 3. How can you valet your car now? Do you have to share a key with the valet guy? |
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06-23-2020, 04:27 AM | #68 |
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Apparently that was a fake... or more likely some BMW UI mockups (not Apple's) as there were some typos. Some developer in BMW thought the i8 looked cool and used it I think!
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06-23-2020, 06:04 AM | #70 | |
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Outstanding that BMW is going to offer this and I just ordered a 2021 5 LCI a couple weeks ago. Excited! ![]() |
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06-23-2020, 08:18 AM | #72 |
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The people who are saying that it's a gimmick and useless feature are doing so, shaping their comments around their own lifestyle. Smart homes are getting increasingly popular and the use of physical keys are declining so having your phone as your key/hub for everything makes sense.
The smartphone is going to be the one-device-for-all where the only thing you really need to carry is your phone and wallet but that will eventually be gone once digital ID's (health card, drivers license) become valid. Is this going to be for everyone? No but it's going to be useful for those who have tech thoroughly embedded within their lifestyle. For everyone else, physical keys will still be used until they're fully gone. |
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The idea is to have one less thing in your pocket. Don't like it? Just don't use it...pretty simple. You pretty much summed up a lot of the Bimmerpost forums... |
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06-23-2020, 08:31 AM | #74 |
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I agree that consolidating the technology you're carrying around into one device has both its positive and negative features.
Nice feature to add to your phone, but the accepted technology standard requires that you have a newer phone with the appropriate hardware to implement the standard. Nice for the smart phone provider in the short term, especially at $1,000+ for a new phone (if want all the higher end model). Since I usually keep my phone in my back pocket, I'm not sure I want to put my a$$ up against the door handle to unlock the care, so it's not totally convenient. I would like to see a valet pre-set sharable key (low speed limit, no radio, notifications when the valet key is used), along with other pre-programmed sharable keys (why set it up every time when you let the teenager move the car in the driveway/back it out of the garage). Does it notify you when a shared key is used; and when a shared key is being used, if it isn't your partner/spouse, I want location updates every 10 minutes. And last, does anyone know if the new standard inhibits the replay attacks thieves are currently using to boost cars with comfort access and push button start?
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06-23-2020, 08:51 AM | #77 | |
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First off, this is an iOS feature. They did not announce a new iPhone. If you upgrade to iOS 14 when it is out, you should get this feature. Next, as far as the availability on the new 540i, I took that as just a product placement thing - BMW took the opportunity to promote the new car. Clearly this feature will work with cars that support the Digital Key spec. BMW implements CCC digital key 2.0. Pretty much every car manufacturer under the sun is collaborating on this tech (except maybe Tesla, who has been doing this for awhile without using a standard). It does require NFC - you have to hold your phone near the handle, and as shown you have to put your phone in a tray to start the car. Digital Key 3.0, which uses Bluetooth Low energy, was announced in October 2019. This allows for features like leaving your phone in your pocket to start, and the car unlocking on approach. New cars like the Polestar 2 support this. I mean, I guess it's possible that the new BMWs have version 3.0 but the procedure shown with the tray and all is clearly version 2.0. As far as the July cutoff - I wonder if BMW is just switching from Digital Key 1.0 to 2.0 during this period, or if they have some other explanation. https://carconnectivity.org/wp-conte...hite-Paper.pdf https://carconnectivity.org/wp-conte...al_Key_2.0.pdf |
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In the end I guess it is not that big of a deal, if you have to install an app or if it is native, aside from being more seamless and being able to use Messages to text a key to someone without the app. It's covered vaguely here: https://carconnectivity.org/press-re...-key-solution/ |
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Can't wait for this to not work properly and be bombarded with pissed off clients!
But seriously, this is not more convenient than just using your regular comfort access. The need for a gimmick like this makes no sense to me. |
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06-23-2020, 10:01 AM | #81 | |
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1.0 may be what our cars have 2.0 supports “dead” phones, ie enough power to use nfc but not boot 3.0 is UWB/btle to enable precision location, allowing you to leave your phone in your pocket/purse, which is apparently what 90% of the people complaining on here fail to understand |
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Maybe I am in a minority here, but I don’t want this on my vehicle.
Eventhe Comfort Access gives opportunity to thieves. Not to mention I have a phone because I work and I need it, but once I am in holiday or I am out or I will retire, there will be no phone for me anymore. Keep a damn form of a key that is safe and secure. |
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This is geared toward families and friends and, potentially, rental car companies. |
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My industry (consumer electronics) is filled with these. I call them "faux features."
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BMW's own marketing material states that "The following devices are compatible with BMW Digital Key: iPhone XR, iPhone XS, iPhone XS Max, iPhone 11, iPhone 11 Pro, iPhone 11 Pro Max, iPhone SE (2nd generation) and Apple Watch Series 5. BMW Digital Key will require the upcoming iOS 13.6 and WatchOS 6.2.8." It reads (and yes it's marketing material and could be wrong) as if you need the correct hardware and iOS version to use the feature. https://www.bmw.com/en/innovation/bm...w-car-key.html I did a search for a list of iPhones compatible with CarKey, and Apple doesn't seem to provide one, nor does one appear in their support forums. The 9-to-5 website believes, based on the availability of NFC in iPhone 7 and up, that CarKey should be compatible with those phones, but that's all. (An article from 5 Feb 2020 - https://9to5mac.com/2020/02/05/new-c...-nfc-car-keys/) I've got a MY2021 M550 in the production queue now, so I'll hit up my CA and see what he knows about it, but I'm guessing that for the moment he'll only have the marketing material to reference.
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