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      11-08-2018, 12:11 PM   #67

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Originally Posted by ssquared View Post
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If you don't like BMW products then why are you here? :
Doesn't sound like OP dislikes BMW, OP is just saying that BMWs are not true sports cars.

I happen to agree with this sentiment. They are sporty cars and they are extremely good cars, but they're not sports cars. I love my BMWs as daily drivers, but most Porsches are better drivers cars. I wouldn't want to drive a Cayman GT4 to work every day, but it would be my top choice on a weekend drive through the canyons or a track day.

The M2 is the only car in the current BMW lineup that is entertaining enough for me to be a fun weekend car. Even that is not a true sports car though...its a commuter car that has been beefed up (not meaning that to sound bad, BMW did an excellent job at modifying the base car to achieve outstanding performance and handling characteristics) but the chasis was not designed as a thoroughbred sports car in the way that a BRZ/MX-5/Cayman/911 were. Those cars were designed with performance in mind from the start, rather than taking a street car and making it into a performance car.

Again, I don't think that's a bad thing, it depends what you're looking for. I don't drive enough on the weekend to have a GT4 or something like that, so having something that's reasonably fun and livable as a daily fits me best and that's what BMW is good at.
You have saved me a lot of typing !! I agree entirely. Among my cars I own 4 BMW's all nice including a 1M I have had since new and is fabulous but Porsche GT cars are just on another level. If BMW want to get serious they need to start by stripping weight out of their cars
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      11-09-2018, 04:54 PM   #68
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Agreed BMWs are not sports cars.

The grill looks exceptional. Great job. Eventually designs need to evolve. Keeping the same grill can get stale.

I imagine at some point fairly soon BMW will evolve the roundel. It's been through a few updates.
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      12-01-2018, 05:51 PM   #69
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Originally Posted by Germanauto View Post
As expected, the reviews are very "meh."

BMW again went with the grand tourer route on this Z4. It's sad that they haven't produced a true sports roadster in 10 years and don't intend to. Porsche remains unchallenged in this segment. But even with them electric steering and the 4-cyl have watered down the fun. Cars will never have that raw connection with the road they once had.

This car looks nice in these videos though. The positives of the styling come out in motion. I'll definitely take a strong look at it in the next 3-4 years.
[quote=Germanauto;23954973]As expected, the reviews are very "meh."

So true....

I think I'll just keep my Z4MR, thanks very much BMW. In fact, I think it needs another polish in the garage even though it's hibernating for the winter
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      12-04-2018, 07:16 PM   #70
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A few new videos from the LA auto show:

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