[530iDriver]

Originally Posted by 37b

I am curious. Where will people who find M cars inadequate go to?

Hyundai N-Line!

[nicky dj]

Originally Posted by M3 Number 86

Wait until the first turn you will lose lmao

Regarding dropping "performance" from the name, I always called the m340i an "M340i"
Has anyone called it an "mperformance340i" before because I don't think we ever did but who cares. Everyone's still gonna know it doesn't have bespoke parts.

Lmao how do you figure that out smart guy? Go sit down. The E92 oem sways are 26.5" and 22" are shit, the Sach struts are average compared to. Do you know what struts and sways the M340i have cause I don't? Another /// clown speaking out of his a$$.

Both the e92 M3 and the lesser M240i did the Hockenheim short in practically the same time.

[nicky dj]

Originally Posted by ///M4ster Yoda

M850i isn't a REAL ///M. So yes I'll pull up, roll down my window and laugh at the driver in his fake ///M.

:

Love this thread. Pure entertainment

Dude, stick to talking about politics and TV shows (on a car forum of all places) .

I'm sure the M850i owner would look over at a less than half priced 40k M4 and say the same thing... and then smoke you lol.

And with that being said, I'm done and given up on this thread. I speak science and back it up with numbers and facts. ///M turds speak passion, graceful lines, "handcrafted parts", residual value and "bespoke" :, it's like talking to my girlfriend about cars. I'm done. No wonder I never see the real BMW shop heads on the news forums.

[JTO24]

We're gonna need a lot more chairs for all the people being told to sit down.

[gio14]

IMO this was a massive failure in branding. The badge should have just been the tricolor stripes, to designate improved performance.

[bvrider1]

Such a great marketing plan from BMW.

M Tax for everyone!!!

m435i front rotors $330 a pair:

https://www.ecstuning.com/b-genuine-...34116792223kt/

e92 M3 front rotors $534 a pair :

https://www.ecstuning.com/b-genuine-...12283386.85kt/

That's just over $200 in M Tax. Hope all the M sport guys share the pain of this marketing scheme.

I can't wait to get a new license plate on my M3.

"NOT MSPT"

[///M4ster Yoda]

Originally Posted by nicky dj

Dude, stick to talking about politics and TV shows (on a car forum of all places) .

I'm sure the M850i owner would look at over at less than half price 40k M4 and say the same thing... and then smoke you lol.

Haha. Calm down snappy. Are you 12Y/O? I was just joking. I've owned a shit ton of BMWs and done 4 European deliveries/1 PCD and been to ///M school with REAL ///M cars. You? Let me guess you've just owned FAKE ///M cars? So this move by BMW is perfect for you

Shit almost forgot I've been on the Nurburgring a few times.

[DgjoX6M2016]

Originally Posted by nicky dj

SMFH ///M corporate management boys who have never taking an engine apart in their lives are STILL defending the badge thinking their M is handcrafted in a special ///M plant like a Bugatti, let me be a bearer of bad news it's all off an assembly line in Regensburg and Munich just like any other BMW.

You want to get down to the FACTS people? Let's talk F-in facts, fact is that the N54 which is also in the 1M engine as well as the 335i was BMW's first mainstream turbo engine and baseline for the S55. Both have forged cranks, forged rods, and open aluminum deck and cast pistons making some of the best blocks in the auto market. BMW just advanced the components such as a mechanical pump versus an electronic pump. I've taken apart a E92 M3 and F80 M3 in my buddy's shop: sure better control arms, struts, sway bars and end links, but let me tell you still shit compared to high end after market parts. Shit intercooler, shit crank hub, shit driveshaft on the E92. Shit bushing and mounts. Shit rod bearings. And who's not to say that all these "upgraded" shit components are not in the M340i, with both now having a locking differential and I hear the ZF8 is better than that DCT and going in the 2020 M? Say what to that.

Is an $130,000 M850i that much less quality built than an M8, I f-in doubt it. Do you F80 and F10 M guys pull up to a M850i and say "well that's not an ///M..."

So unless someone here who knows engines, a BMW engineer or certified mechanic gets me a f-ing tech sheet of side-by-side comparisons of all the internals and components of M340i compared to to an F80 S55 everyone needs to STFU as it's all hearsay. NOT one damn person in 20 f-ing pages has broken down the engineering and schematics of these cars just a bunch assumptions i.e. ass out of you and me.

Lol. Liked your post. But I added some known tech differences in my post, at least for the s63 over n63. I would like to have a M i6 power unit but so far am a v8 fan. But as I drive a x6m, a non-M worthy homologation, to many my input won't matter .

There are some major tech differences in the v8 motors, from pistons with added oil channels, more oil squirters, cross drilled bearing caps, different size turbos and intake manifolds, closed decks, etc.. Not being a M elitist, just saying there are significant power unit differences out of the M shop.

Wow this topic has generated a lot of ire!!

[cjm41]

Originally Posted by nicky dj

I've taken apart a E92 M3 and F80 M3 in my buddy's shop: sure better control arms, struts, sway bars and end links, but let me tell you still shit compared to high end after market parts. Shit intercooler, shit crank hub, shit driveshaft on the E92.

Got a part number for that e92 M3 intercooler, per chance?

Thanks in advance

[bvrider1]

+1

Originally Posted by ///M4ster Yoda

Haha. Calm down snappy. Are you 12Y/O? I was just joking. I've owned a shit ton of BMWs and done 4 European deliveries/1 PCD and been to ///M school with REAL ///M cars. You? Let me guess you've just owned FAKE ///M cars? So this move by BMW is perfect for you

[Fugly M3]

Originally Posted by ///M4ster Yoda

Haha. Calm down snappy. Are you 12Y/O? I was just joking. I've owned a shit ton of BMWs and done 4 European deliveries/1 PCD and been to ///M school with REAL ///M cars. You? Let me guess you've just owned FAKE ///M cars? So this move by BMW is perfect for you

Shit almost forgot I've been on the Nurburgring a few times.

Yup. I've been to many M schools, including multiple at the Ring. Actually, I'm off to Sweden this tonight for the Ice Driving! When seriously pushed over and over...the M cars are just that much different. Particularly, the cooling and the structural differences add up. The latter is especially critical given how heavy these things are getting.

The only models that come close are the stripper low-end coupes - think 128, 135 and 228/30 models with sport suspension and seats and nothing else. What they lack in power they make up for in lack of heft. They aren't M feeling, but they are still a total blast.

[Moflow]

Originally Posted by nicky dj

You want to get down to the FACTS people? Let's talk F-in facts, fact is that the N54 which is also in the 1M engine as well as the 335i was BMW's first mainstream turbo engine and baseline for the S55. Both have forged cranks, forged rods, and open aluminum deck and cast pistons making some of the best blocks in the auto market.

Hmmmm

N54 Block



S55 Block

[nicky dj]

Originally Posted by ///M4ster Yoda

Haha. Calm down snappy. Are you 12Y/O? I was just joking. I've owned a shit ton of BMWs and done 4 European deliveries/1 PCD and been to ///M school with REAL ///M cars. You? Let me guess you've just owned FAKE ///M cars? So this move by BMW is perfect for you

Shit almost forgot I've been on the Nurburgring a few times.

Nope just a BMW brand enthusiast since my first E30 to E36 M3 and so on, spending hours and hours under the hood hating and falling in love with these cars at the same. I love the brand and will defend the brand M till I can't, and I can't stand the /// wannabes who have never been under the hood of their own car and argue against the brand itself, waiting to jump ship to Tesla, Porsche or Audi at any moments notice. And yes I've done the BMW Performance driving school so I've literally driven every ultimate driving machine there is, great cars I highly suggest one including the M340i.

Peace.

[premier3is]

Originally Posted by Mrgunfun

Expect to see lots of M340 and M550 joining the ///M car meets.

Why would they? Judging from this thread, even if I owned a M340i I would not want to associate with "real M drivers" (whatever that means). Bunch of tools.

[///M4ster Yoda]

Originally Posted by nicky dj

Nope just a BMW brand enthusiast since my first E30 to E36 M3 and so on, spending hours and hours under the hood hating and falling in love with these cars at the same. I love the brand and will defend the brand M till I can't, and I can't stand the /// wannabes who can't never been under the hood of their own car and argue against the brand itself, waiting to jump ship to Tesla, Porsche or Audi at any moments notice. And yes I've done the BMW Performance driving school so I've literally driven every ultimate driving machine there is, great cars I highly suggest one.

Peace.

I almost didn't get Involved in this thread because I know the road it takes us all down. Arguing etc etc....I was just joking with you and try not to get to "worked" up about this stuff. We all love our cars and are lucky to be able to afford/drive them.

Honestly, this shit doesn't bother me nearly as much as the YUGE grilles, loss of DCT, and AWD in the ///M cars but that's for another day/thread.

Later

[mckman]

Originally Posted by nicky dj

Sure take the E92 M3, I'll take the M340i and smoke you.

Same generation car only for the race (ie G20 vs the upcoming G80). Not a fair comparison otherwise. The M340i smokes an E92 M3. Big deal. Technology improves with every new generation.

[IB M]

Bigger issue here is the M340i REALLY does look like a Lexus from the rear.
I've seen five or six on the road in the last week and every time I SWEAR 2 G I think it's a Lexus in that first nanosecond. After 22 pages - just a true story Bros.

[///M4ster Yoda]

Originally Posted by IB M

Bigger issue here is the M340i REALLY does look like a Lexus from the rear.
I've seen five or six on the road in the last week and every time I SWEAR 2 G I think it's a Lexus in that first nanosecond. After 22 pages - just a true story Bros.

I'll fan the flames one more time.

Wife and I over the summer pulled into a BMW dealership and parked next to what I thought was a Lexus (rear end). Turns out it was the new G whatever. We both looked at each other and thought WTF.

BMW is currently a follower not a leader.

[will0621]

Originally Posted by IB M

Bigger issue here is the M340i REALLY does look like a Lexus from the rear.
I've seen five or six on the road in the last week and every time I SWEAR 2 G I think it's a Lexus in that first nanosecond. After 22 pages - just a true story Bros.

This is true- see photo. I actually like the front, but the rear just isn’t doing it for me.

[JeremyDFW]

I've come to the conclusion there are basically 4-5 people really bickering in the room - everyone else is kind of just poking fun at them - kind of like me at the moment.

I mean... I just got home from my "corporate management" job - jumped in my "fanboy" M3 car, got stuck in traffic, and you know... maybe call the concierge to come down and grab my bag from the trunk.

But I think to be relevant, and a TRUE brand loyalist - I'm going to have to sell my three homes, 6 cars (the 3 listed below plus the boring F250, CLA, etc.), tell the kids their college fund is being taken away, lose the 401K, cancel the Napa wine club membership, quit my job....

I'll then go buy a 335i that's 15 years old, needs a full pump, a set of plugs, and probably go learn how to spin wrenches somewhere in a run-down garage on the bad side of town.

I mean... if I'm going to be labeled a douchebag because I just like driving what I drive, then I might as well act the part.

Because yes... sarcasm.

[babaikram]

Any B58 engined car is superior to S55 engined cars. The biggest disappointment of my life was road testing M4. It just sounded weird and horrible

[silentm]

Originally Posted by 37b

I am curious. Where will people who find M cars inadequate go to?

Should of been clear by now.