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      02-25-2019, 10:42 AM   #67
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By that reasoning, wouldn't a pharmaceutical company rather sell you pills for the rest of your life (that have a 50% annual price raise) instead of just coming up with a cure? And wouldn't an industry that makes the greatest profits from hospitals prefer to keep its customer base on the brink of illness, rather than encouraging lifestyle changes that keep more people healthy?
Thats not a correct comparison.
Look at what I wrote. How will a private transport company like a train or subway company have as a goal that public roads are less clogged, giving room for the area to grow?

In your examples, pharmaceutical companies or hospitals compete against eachother. So thats a completely different situation.
Where one pharmaceutican company makes a pill that has to be ingested all your life treat symptoms, another pharmaceutical company that comes up with a pill that cures the same for life will win.

And would you like to see a private army in charge of protecting the country?
To name an example of a higher secondairy goal that is quite important to be guaranteed?


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All you blabber about for three pages has been your personal 'feeling' which is invalided when I already mention multiple historical comparision to reinforce my point of view.
no you didnt. Where is your historical comparison that there is a city called new york with all private public transportation?
There isnt, its as simple as that....
The only reference there is, is that the NYC subway system was nationalized (or well,the city bought it) in 1940.
So if you made any comparison, it was with a situation almost 70 years ago.....how is that even represenative?!?
Talk about blabbering and personal 'feelings'.
First you think that buying your 340i helped american workers in the Caroline's to a salary althought it isn't even US made, than it takes you 4 posts to admit that buying an american made car stimulates the economy more than a german made car, then you say that using public transportation doesn't help the economy, totally forgetting about all the jobs created in train and bus factories, and of course the jobs of train and bus drivers, and not realizing that without public transportation in large urban areas the road network would be completely overcrowded, and now this?
Jeeezzz..
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Thats not a correct comparison.
Look at what I wrote. How will a private transport company like a train or subway company have as a goal that public roads are less clogged, giving room for the area to grow?

In your examples, pharmaceutical companies or hospitals compete against eachother. So thats a completely different situation.
Where one pharmaceutican company makes a pill that has to be ingested all your life treat symptoms, another pharmaceutical company that comes up with a pill that cures the same for life will win.



no you didnt. Where is your historical comparison that there is a city called new york with all private public transportation?
There isnt, its as simple as that....
The only reference there is, is that the NYC subway system was nationalized (or well,the city bought it) in 1940.
So if you made any comparison, it was with a situation almost 70 years ago.....how is that even represenative?!?
Talk about blabbering and personal 'feelings'.
First you think that buying your 340i helped american workers in the Caroline's to a salary althought it isn't even US made, than it takes you 4 posts to admit that buying an american made car stimulates the economy more than a german made car, then you say that using public transportation doesn't help the economy, totally forgetting about all the jobs created in train and bus factories, and of course the jobs of train and bus drivers, and not realizing that without public transportation in large urban areas the road network would be completely overcrowded, and now this?
Jeeezzz..
It very easy compare it then and now, doesn't take a rocket scientist especially when the City reneg on their promise as to why they seize the private industry.

Same story with the national rail, it was seize for war and then they only return the freight portion to private hands and have mismanaged and lost 100 millions yearly since.
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      02-25-2019, 11:01 AM   #69
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It very easy compare it then and now, doesn't take a rocket scientist
yeah sure, nothing has changed in 70 years. Society is exactly the same now as it was then....
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      02-25-2019, 11:09 AM   #70
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yeah sure, nothing has changed in 70 years. Society is exactly the same now as it was then....
Yes it is, government has consistently failed to honor it promises and objective while private sector has always done far better at handling everything it has been permitted to do.
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yeah sure, nothing has changed in 70 years. Society is exactly the same now as it was then....
Yes it is, government has consistently failed to honor it promises and objective while private sector has always done far better at handling everything it has been permitted to do.
Always and everything

I wouldn't be using absolutes if I were you
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Why are going on and on about trains and public transportation in this thread?

Let's get back on topic. Leftists are stupid BMW drivers
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It very easy compare it then and now, doesn't take a rocket scientist
yeah sure, nothing has changed in 70 years. Society is exactly the same now as it was then....
...and that's one of the current issues with extremists on the right...they hate change more specifically the demographic changes in this country.
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It very easy compare it then and now, doesn't take a rocket scientist
yeah sure, nothing has changed in 70 years. Society is exactly the same now as it was then....
...and that's one of the current issues with extremists on the right...they hate change more specifically the demographic changes in this country.
That's why the right is called conservatives and the left is called progressives
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That's why the right is called conservatives and the left is called progressives
Personally the word "progressives" is full of land mines (in the words of Ayn Rand).
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...and that's one of the current issues with extremists on the right...they hate change more specifically the demographic changes in this country.
What demographic change. The nation is currently populated with European ancestory and the population that currently entering are also European ancenstory.
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That's why the right is called conservatives and the left is called progressives
Personally the word "progressives" is full of land mines (in the words of Ayn Rand).
I take most of what Ayn Rand says with a grain of salt
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Republican here. The Democrats have gone off the deep end.
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I take most of what Ayn Rand says with a grain of salt
So do I, although I would agree with the phrase "land mines" in this case. What are we "progressing" to anyway? A fake Utopia?
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I take most of what Ayn Rand says with a grain of salt
So do I, although I would agree with the phrase "land mines" in this case. What are we "progressing" to anyway? A fake Utopia?
Honestly, that's a bunch of fear mongering.

We are no more likely to become a socialist utopia than Trump becoming a dictator.

But it makes for good headlines.
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Honestly, that's a bunch of fear mongering.

We are no more likely to become a socialist utopia than Trump becoming a dictator.

But it makes for good headlines.
That's a good point. Why is it that Republicans are fearing the progressives? It's not like they making it up. So the question is why? Is the "fear" real? Or is it just politics?

One the one hand, you have the producers of goods (republicans). On the other polar opposite, you have the progressives who want to regulate. If I am producing goods and my livelihood depends on my profit margin, I definitely will have to fear the progressives.
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Honestly, that's a bunch of fear mongering.

We are no more likely to become a socialist utopia than Trump becoming a dictator.

But it makes for good headlines.
That's a good point. Why is it that Republicans are fearing the progressives? It's not like they making it up. So the question is why? Is the "fear" real? Or is it just politics?

One the one hand, you have the producers of goods (republicans). On the other polar opposite, you have the progressives who want to regulate. If I am producing goods and my livelihood depends on my profit margin, I definitely will have to fear the progressives.
It's politics.

But when you look at some of the posters especially in this forum, it's fear. You don't have to look much farther than this very thread.

I don't think McConnell of Paul fear progressives but some of their base do.

Also, conservatives are not the only one producing goods unless you think Bezos, Gates, Musk, Branson, etc are conservatives.
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I don't think McConnell of Paul fear progressives but some of their base do.
I actually think they do. I think their "fear" is real.
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Also, conservatives are not the only one producing goods unless you think Bezos, Gates, Musk, Branson, etc are conservatives.
They fear as well. It's just that they are so rich now, it does not matter. When they started their businesses with nothing I am pretty sure their fear is the same as some guy trying to set up a burger stand in front of a Home Depot store.

I've read that Mr. Musk was like working 20 hrs a day last year when his company was trying to get the Model 3 up to speed. I mean if there was no fear, Musk would be like "f#k that. I'd be at some tropical island with my Martini". Why would he have to work so hard if there was no "fear"? If Tesla goes under, a lot of his so called "$23B" net worth would be gone just like that. Now that's real fear and not some abstract progressive agenda BS.

These people are the exceptions. You can't run a country based on "exceptions". These people for whatever reason have gotten so rich that everything is irrelevant for them (short of a nuclear war). You can't use them as an example. You have to use the typical businesses that are more representative of the norm.
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