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      08-16-2015, 02:49 PM   #89
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Its so funny how so many are mad at the things Trump has said, haven't we all figured out over the past century that what you "say" as a politician doesn't matter, and now all of sudden it does matter what you say, lol.

The world is all about money, and money does matter, and unfortunately nothing else. It makes everything happen, everything. I use to think that when I was a little kid it seemed that everything was all about the money, then when I got older I realized that everything WAS all about the money.

Trump is living proof so far, that it is all about the money. ALL the politicians also prove this theory, there elevation to their popularity is based on their support that they receive in the first place to get them where there at. The fear that there going to let down the very organization that put them where there at, holds them to that level of decision making. Ask the Clintons if that's not true.

Trump is unlike none other, and I for one could care less if he was a dem or a republican, nobody pays for him the speak their words, obviously, he says what he wants whether you like it or not. There are alot of people that are afraid of what that might mean to our country, there are more countries out there that are also afraid of what that might mean to their countries, its the fear of power, and that fear currently is lacking in the current admin, that has caused our country to look like a bunch of pussies.

Obama said a lot to get in office, little or none of what he said ever came true, ask an African American Man if his life is any better now than 6.5 years ago. Obama sighted change, will IMO Trump would be change, especially since he's a non politician in the likes of Ronald Reagan. Reagan turned out to be a very likable President, only difference now is, Trump is a business man billionaire, and Reagan was an actor.

This thread really gets me going, sorry for the rant but sure there will be some good future comment, but I would challenge anybody to answer this question: Whats the difference between a Socialist and a Democrat?
Hhhmmm.....sorry to back track on you, but what point exactly were you trying to make here? Some specifics would be helpful. Was Obama just supposed to be POTUS for us Black folks?
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      08-16-2015, 03:20 PM   #91
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...and to that point, from just page two of this thread we have the following....



Now here's thing. For all the conservatives who are so quick to call just about anyone whom they don't like an idiot, the data in one study show that in at least one dimension -- cognitive reflection -- conservative Republicans are less adept than are both Democrats and Libertarians. (http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...l.pone.0042366)

What is cognitive reflection? Basically it's the ability and willingness to use reason over intuition, even when intuition seems to give a sound answer. Put another way, it's the greater predilection for logos over pathos. (The paper referenced above provides a scholarly and comprehensive explanation of what cognitive reflection entails.)

Another researcher at the London School of Economics and Political Science, Dr. Satoshi Kanazaw, studied why liberals are in general smarter than conservatives. His research, documented is here: http://personal.lse.ac.uk/kanazawa/pdfs/SPQ2010.pdf .

Now I don't know anything objective about Mr. Trump's intelligence or that of other members here. I do know that disparagingly bandying about empty and unsubstantiated claims doesn't boost one's appearance of intelligence, neither is it a mark of intelligence. I don't mind that folks want to assert someone is stupid, but if one is of a mind to do so, then one must also present a cogent argument supporting that conclusion.



I know what you are referring to with the emboldened phrase above, but put as you have, it sounds like something only an idiot would do. Mr. Clinton may be many things, but stupid in the main is not among them. Mr. Clinton is also in fact the only President to have been a Rhodes Scholar.

(Here are some other Rhodes Scholars: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Rhodes_Scholars . Well known among them are Rachel Maddow, Cory Booker, Susan Rice, George Stephanopoulos, David Vitter (U.S. Senator), Russ Feingold, David Kendall, David Souter, and Bobby Jindal.)

For clarification, it was during the presidency of George H.W. Bush, not Bill Clinton, that the U.S. Department of Defense issued a directive in February 1992 affecting the carrying of firearms on bases by military personnel. That directive (http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a272176.pdf) was eventually implemented through a regulation (http://www.apd.army.mil/jw2/xmldemo/r190_14/head.asp), 190-14 issued by the Department of the Army (not via executive order) in March 1993, just two months after President Clinton assumed office.

Additionally, that change in regulations (which applied only to the Army, not other branches of the U.S. armed forces) did not ban the carrying of weapons by soldiers on Army bases; rather, it restricted the authorization to carry firearms to personnel engaged in law enforcement and security duties, and to personnel stationed at facilities where there was "a reasonable expectation that life or Army assets would be jeopardized if firearms were not carried."

Steven Bucci, a military expert for The Heritage Foundation who served 28 years in the Army and retired in 2005 with the rank of colonel, also [said] that Clinton is not to blame.
"I think you are barking up the wrong tree if you are looking to put blame on someone for disarming the military," said Bucci, when asked if Clinton was responsible. "I think that's kind of a bogus story." "We have never had our soldiers walking around with weapons all the time, other than in combat zones," he added, noting only Military Police have had that authority.
Yes, it happened during Clinton's presidency, so he get the blame/credit for doing it in exactly the same way and for the same reasons Regan gets credit for freeing the American hostages from Iran.



What defending do Republicans deserve if, as you write, they are "just as much at fault, if not more?" Why is the absence of outcries of support for a party one feels is as much or more blameworthy a problem, and specifically a problem in your mind?

All the best.
You will quite often not see me defend either side, but instead just point out inaccuracies from either side... I dont side with either party as neither follows my views 100%, and I dont honestly see either party even in line with their own views as you have a soft right and hard right republican side, as well as a soft left and hard left democratic side, all so terrified of and concerned with public opinion that they will sell out their soul for a vote.
As far as the rest of your novel, I dont bother reading documents that judge the "intelligence" of another person because that isnt able to be proven, and most of time tends to be biased or the person writing it wouldnt bother in the first place. Ive yet to see a neutral non fiction book out to say "who is smarter, the liberals or the conservatives", but you will see plenty of them left or right biased which cherry pick their data to prove their point.
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      08-16-2015, 03:26 PM   #92
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What don't I like about Palin? Don't have time for all that. Main things-

Her town and family was/is a mess
She is corrupt
She was only chosen to pander to the females....to try and get some of HC's votes
She is mean spirited and stupid. Bad combo.
Has to write her 3-4 talking points on her hand.
She hunts animals from a helicopter
And like most politicians, she's as phony as a $3 bill.
I know thats the liberal heresay, I just have yet to see any proof of anything other than many judging her solely on "Saturday night live".
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      08-16-2015, 04:31 PM   #93
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Trump is awesome. You can see many on here haven't even hear his speeches and only regurgitate what they hear from left wing wacko news.
Great Republican grammar and vocabulary
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      08-16-2015, 04:45 PM   #94
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Great Republican grammar and vocabulary
The liberal sidestep... attack the person, not the message.
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      08-16-2015, 05:08 PM   #95
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Drumpf (his real family name, which is ironic since he thinks "Trump" is worth a lot) isn't a very good businessman. He's made a lot of deals that have lost his investors a lot of money and his businesses have been bankrupted four times. If he had taken the $250 million his father had given him and invested it in Dow Jones index stocks he'd be worth well more than he claims to be worth today. (He claims $10 billion. I suspect more like $850 million at most when all the water is wrung out of his bloated real estate investments.)

His taste in projects and construction is pretty much reflected in his taste for women -- garish and over the top.

He's a shoot from the hip bullshit artist who will embrace whatever stupid theories he thinks will get him press. He has no consistent vision of what he would do except "negotiate better deals" and put his billionaire oligarch friends in power.

As a lifelong Democrat (and one of the current President's lawyers) I hope the Republicans nominate him. But I doubt they will. And if not, since Trump said he'd run as an indie if he was treated "fairly" (and being treated fairly means getting the Republican nomination), I hope he is true to his word. But he won't be.

His bloviations will be over for this political cycle and the Republicans will have dodged a bullet. But not because they deserve it. They created the know-nothing, anti-science, government haters who are fueling Trump's popularity.

And that's my opinion; thanks for asking.
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      08-16-2015, 05:11 PM   #96
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You can actually block a persons posts in a thread? So, when you read a thread the stuff people are talking about relating to that's person post would not make sense right? Or are you joking?
Yes, you can block the posts of people. The only time you see them is when other people, unfortunately, quote them.
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His bloviations will be over for this political cycle and the Republicans will have dodged a bullet. But not because they deserve it. They created the know-nothing, anti-science, government haters who are fueling Trump's popularity.
Out of curiosity, do you feel that everyone who doesnt see exactly your views and/or vote exactly as you do is a "know-nothing, anti-science, government hater" ?
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Out of curiosity, do you feel that everyone who doesnt see exactly your views and/or vote exactly as you do is a "know-nothing, anti-science, government hater" ?
No.
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You will quite often not see me defend either side, but instead just point out inaccuracies from either side... I dont side with either party as neither follows my views 100%, and I dont honestly see either party even in line with their own views as you have a soft right and hard right republican side, as well as a soft left and hard left democratic side, all so terrified of and concerned with public opinion that they will sell out their soul for a vote.

As far as the rest of your novel, I don't bother reading documents that judge the "intelligence" of another person because that isn't able to be proven, and most of time tends to be biased or the person writing it wouldn't bother in the first place.

I've yet to see a neutral non fiction book out to say "who is smarter, the liberals or the conservatives", but you will see plenty of them left or right biased which cherry pick their data to prove their point.
Like you, I'm not keen to defend either side. However, in an environment wherein folks resort to doing little other than calling someone an idiot and offer nothing demonstratively and logically supportive of that claim, I chose to share that scholarly research regarding the correlation of mental acuity and party affiliation has been conducted and the results of those studies don't favor conservatives. (See "orange" below.)

Red:
I didn't write a novel.

Orange:
If you read the papers I referenced you'll find that they are scholarly papers that were published in peer reviewed journals, not self-serving, opinion pieces.

Blue + Green:
Yes, well seeing as you don't read such material purely on the basis of what the topic is, of course you haven't.

Blue:
Since when can intelligence not be assessed? Do you not accept the basic premises that underlie IQ tests? Do you believe it a debatable premise that humans are more intelligent than, say, our family pets? Of course intelligence can be measured and compared and contrasted. Indeed, it is so well understood that intelligence can be measured that doing so occurs with regard to myriad parameters as well as in general (https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q...%2C21&as_vis=1).

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      08-16-2015, 07:21 PM   #100
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I dunno, calling out Rosie O'Donnell and Megyn Kelly in the GOP Debate was pretty good. The point where he also calls out all the guys he has funded in the past was pretty epic.
He basically said he bribed them to get what he wants. He seems like a pretty horrible person.
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McCain is an idiot now, but in the early - mid 2000's doing his maverick thing I kind of liked him. He had some liberal views and seemed a bit above the bs. Not anymore though. What don't I like about Palin? Don't have time for all that. Main things-

  1. Her town and family was/is a mess
  2. She is corrupt
  3. She was only chosen to pander to the females....to try and get some of HC's votes
  4. She is mean spirited and stupid. Bad combo.
  5. Has to write her 3-4 talking points on her hand.
  6. She hunts animals from a helicopter
  7. And like most politicians, she's as phony as a $3 bill.
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By all means you, I and anyone else can like or dislike whatever we want. "Liking" doesn't require rational thought. Point three above, however, seems entirely sexist insofar as the only "contribution" Ms. Palin added to that was the fact that she was born female. Reason #3 is something to dislike about the folks who chose to include her on Mr. McCain's ticket, not something to dislike about Ms. Palin.

Even the passive voice syntax of the statement makes clear the sexism in the statement..."she was chosen" not "she forced her way," or "she worked hard to join." Like or don't like whatever, but at least be fair about it, even if not entirely rational.

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I don't know if it will collapse before the election or not. Look at the comments in forums like this one and others. People readily "toss grenades" or cry foul the instant they are challenged, just like Mr. Trump does. I've run out of fingers and toes to count how often I see one person say or intimate that another is stupid (or something akin to it) rather than engage in substantive discussion. Mr. Trump is little different, and that's why, at least right now, he's resonating with the general public.

All the best.
That is true about people on Internet forums. But I am guessing that most of them are more tactful in real life and I wouldn't vote for any of them either.
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That whole "back and forth" between Mr. Trump and Jon Stewart is a fine example of how childish the man can be. (http://gawker.com/donald-trump-lashe...g-hi-489657795) That's the sort of thing that makes me reticent to support Mr. Trump, which is a shame because he's a candidate I would like to like. I mean really...Mr. Trump is a grown man and he deigned to engage a comedian in what amounts substantively to a "your mamma" exchange of insults and empty accusations....That just not what I expect to see from anyone who wants to be my President. Would he do the same thing when other world leaders disparage him too?

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That is true about people on Internet forums. But I am guessing that most of them are more tactful in real life and I wouldn't vote for any of them either.
Okay. I wouldn't know. My own character is no different in forums than it is in the flesh. I don't deliberately insult people on the WWW and I don't do it in "real life" either. What differs between my WWW persona and my "real life" one is that I will publicly express some ideas on WWW forums that in "real life" I might not. For example, in a forum I might call out a specific corporation for what I believe are their ethical blunders, whereas in "real life" I may not, particularly if that corporation is a client of one of my colleagues.

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I know thats the liberal heresay, I just have yet to see any proof of anything other than many judging her solely on "Saturday night live".
That's not liberal heresay, that's just what I've gleaned from her appearances on fox news, various debates, the things she said here in SC to pander to the tea party idiots, etc. She is mean spirited and unintelligent IMO. Google the writing on her hand video if you haven't seen it. Anyone that cant memorize three talking points isnt smart enough to be vp. I don't watch SNL BTW
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Hhhmmm.....sorry to back track on you, but what point exactly were you trying to make here? Some specifics would be helpful. Was Obama just supposed to be POTUS for us Black folks?
Actually no I did not believe that Obama was supposed to be POTUS for the Black Folk. But us white folk is always reminded in so many ways that are lives really don't matter. When we try and say all lives matter, that doesn't seem to matter when in fact we are all are the same, black, white, brown, any color, and in so many ways. This President took back racism 25 years in my opinion by creating a divide in many ways, for example Ferguson, even after the investigation that Obama put together, the officer was exonerated and nothing was ever said by our Government to condemn the unnecessary treatment that took place with the damage of property, and how many lives were probably displaced, nothing.

I just wish somebody would tell this POTUS that the end of racism, or the beginning to the end, is to quit referring to people as African Americans, Japanese Americans, Mexican Americans, Jewish Americans, and just refer to them as "Americans". A divide is created by definition, quit defining like this, we are all equal.

But quoting something that I hear quite often from this President took place a few months back and it went like this " “Like the rest of America, Black America, in the aggregate, is better off now than it was when I came into office,” said President Obama on December 19, in response to a question by Urban Radio Networks White House Correspondent April Ryan.

Now would you in all fairness ask the Black White House Correspondent "April Ryan" the same question you asked me? Was Obama supposed to be POTUS just for us Black Folks?

But since you asked for some specifics let me just quote these statements from a recent article, from Black Press USA the voice of the black community:

What planet African Americans are doing “better off” on is unknown. What is known is that President Obama is about to leave office with African Americans in their worst economic situation since Ronald Reagan. A look at every key stat as President Obama starts his sixth year in office illustrates that. Unemployment. The average Black unemployment under President Bush was 10 percent. The average under President Obama after six years is 14 percent. Black unemployment, “has always been double” [that of Whites] but it hasn’t always been 14 percent. The administration was silent when Black unemployment hit 16 percent – a 27-year high – in late 2011. Poverty. The percentage of Blacks in poverty in 2009 was 25 percent; it is now 27 percent. The issue of poverty is rarely mentioned by the president or any members of his cabinet. Currently, more than 45 million people – 1 in 7 Americans – live below the poverty line. The Black/White Wealth Gap. The wealth gap between Blacks and Whites in America is at a 24-year high. A December study by PEW Research Center revealed the average White household is worth $141,900, and the average Black household is worth $11,000. From 2010 to 2013, the median income for Black households plunged 9 percent. Income inequality. “Between 2009 and 2012 the top one percent of Americans enjoyed 95 percent of all income gains, according to research from U.C. Berkeley,” reported The Atlantic. It was the worst since 1928. As income inequality has widened during President Obama’s time in office, the president has endorsed tax policy that has widened inequality, such as the Bush Tax cuts. Education: The high school dropout rate has improved during the Obama administration. However, currently 42 percent of Black children attend high poverty schools, compared to only 6 percent of White students. The Department of Education’s change to Parent PLUS loans requirements cost HBCU’s more than $150 million and interrupted the educations of 28,000-plus HBCU students. SBA Loans. In March 2014, the Wall Street Journal reported that only 1.7 percent of $23 billion in SBA loans went to Black-owned businesses in 2013, the lowest loan of SBA lending to Black businesses on record. During the Bush presidency, the percentage of SBA loans to Black businesses was 8 percent – more than four times the Obama rate. President Obama continued Bush’s economic policy by deciding not to allow the Bush tax cuts expire in 2010 and agreeing to make them permanent in 2013. While he did this Black civil rights leaders said nothing. Soon after, in the president’s budget, there were cuts to community block grants and a budget increase for the Federal Bureau of Prisons. President Obama’s support of the Bush tax cuts are support for “trickle down” economics — that is, a tax break for the top 1 percent. Billionaire Warren Buffett spoke against the Bush tax cuts. There would have been $4 trillion in additional revenue had the president simply let the Bush tax cuts expire. In 2011, when Al Sharpton told CBS’ 60 Minutes that, “Obama already said he won’t do anything for Blacks, duh,” it signaled that Black civil rights leaders would not push the first Black president hard on Black issues. Sharpton has been in the White House 61 times since 2009, probably more than any member of Congress, including leadership, over that period. With that type of access to power one has to ask: Where are the positive policy results? The good news is that President Obama has appointed more Black people as federal judges than any other president in American history. The federal prison population has decreased and the rate of Americans without health insurance has dropped, even with Republican governors in the South blocking the Affordable Care Act. But the president appears to be unwilling to use the full power of his office to push targeted policy to assist African Americans as he has done for Latinos, gays and lesbians, and other groups. As he spoke on December 19, President Obama said of African Americans that, “They’re working hard… They’re out there hustling and trying to get an education, trying to send their kids to college. But they’re starting behind, oftentimes, in the race.” Obama seems to understand the historic adversity Blacks have faced yet that understanding hasn’t translated into the hard mechanics of specific policy such as funding for summer jobs, budget increases for community block grants or substantial increases for Pell Grants or programs such as GearUp. All segments of Black America seem willing to give President Obama a pass on his failure to deliver for African Americans. - See more at: http://www.blackpressusa.com/is-blac....fSWQC3pl.dpuf

If all of this is actually true, maybe someone should be telling Obama "black lives matter".
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What planet African Americans are doing “better off” on is unknown. What is known is that President Obama is about to leave office with African Americans in their worst economic situation since Ronald Reagan. A look at every key stat as President Obama starts his sixth year in office illustrates that. Unemployment. The average Black unemployment under President Bush was 10 percent. The average under President Obama after six years is 14 percent. Black unemployment, “has always been double” [that of Whites] but it hasn’t always been 14 percent. The administration was silent when Black unemployment hit 16 percent – a 27-year high – in late 2011. Poverty. The percentage of Blacks in poverty in 2009 was 25 percent; it is now 27 percent. The issue of poverty is rarely mentioned by the president or any members of his cabinet. Currently, more than 45 million people – 1 in 7 Americans – live below the poverty line. The Black/White Wealth Gap. The wealth gap between Blacks and Whites in America is at a 24-year high. A December study by PEW Research Center revealed the average White household is worth $141,900, and the average Black household is worth $11,000. From 2010 to 2013, the median income for Black households plunged 9 percent. Income inequality. “Between 2009 and 2012 the top one percent of Americans enjoyed 95 percent of all income gains, according to research from U.C. Berkeley,” reported The Atlantic. It was the worst since 1928. As income inequality has widened during President Obama’s time in office, the president has endorsed tax policy that has widened inequality, such as the Bush Tax cuts. Education: The high school dropout rate has improved during the Obama administration. However, currently 42 percent of Black children attend high poverty schools, compared to only 6 percent of White students. The Department of Education’s change to Parent PLUS loans requirements cost HBCU’s more than $150 million and interrupted the educations of 28,000-plus HBCU students. SBA Loans. In March 2014, the Wall Street Journal reported that only 1.7 percent of $23 billion in SBA loans went to Black-owned businesses in 2013, the lowest loan of SBA lending to Black businesses on record. During the Bush presidency, the percentage of SBA loans to Black businesses was 8 percent – more than four times the Obama rate. President Obama continued Bush’s economic policy by deciding not to allow the Bush tax cuts expire in 2010 and agreeing to make them permanent in 2013. While he did this Black civil rights leaders said nothing. Soon after, in the president’s budget, there were cuts to community block grants and a budget increase for the Federal Bureau of Prisons. President Obama’s support of the Bush tax cuts are support for “trickle down” economics — that is, a tax break for the top 1 percent. Billionaire Warren Buffett spoke against the Bush tax cuts. There would have been $4 trillion in additional revenue had the president simply let the Bush tax cuts expire. In 2011, when Al Sharpton told CBS’ 60 Minutes that, “Obama already said he won’t do anything for Blacks, duh,” it signaled that Black civil rights leaders would not push the first Black president hard on Black issues. Sharpton has been in the White House 61 times since 2009, probably more than any member of Congress, including leadership, over that period. With that type of access to power one has to ask: Where are the positive policy results? The good news is that President Obama has appointed more Black people as federal judges than any other president in American history. The federal prison population has decreased and the rate of Americans without health insurance has dropped, even with Republican governors in the South blocking the Affordable Care Act. But the president appears to be unwilling to use the full power of his office to push targeted policy to assist African Americans as he has done for Latinos, gays and lesbians, and other groups. As he spoke on December 19, President Obama said of African Americans that, “They’re working hard… They’re out there hustling and trying to get an education, trying to send their kids to college. But they’re starting behind, oftentimes, in the race.” Obama seems to understand the historic adversity Blacks have faced yet that understanding hasn’t translated into the hard mechanics of specific policy such as funding for summer jobs, budget increases for community block grants or substantial increases for Pell Grants or programs such as GearUp. All segments of Black America seem willing to give President Obama a pass on his failure to deliver for African Americans. - See more at: http://www.blackpressusa.com/is-blac....fSWQC3pl.dpuf...
Jesus H. Christ! I'm going to read that, but I have to ask...Did your <Enter> key stop working when you were writing that last paragraph? I get accused of posting "walls of text" but that's literally what that ext to last paragraph is. I hope the writers at the link you provided had a working <Enter> key.

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Actually no I did not believe that Obama was supposed to be POTUS for the Black Folk. But us white folk [are] always reminded in so many ways that [our] lives really don't matter. When we try and say all lives matter, that doesn't seem to matter when in fact we are all the same, black, white, brown, any color, and in so many ways. This President took back racism 25 years in my opinion by creating a divide in many ways, for example Ferguson, even after the investigation that Obama put together, the officer was exonerated and nothing was ever said by our Government to condemn the unnecessary treatment that took place with the damage of property, and how many lives were probably displaced, nothing.

I just wish somebody would tell this POTUS that the end of racism, or the beginning to the end, is to quit referring to people as African Americans, Japanese Americans, Mexican Americans, Jewish Americans, and just refer to them as "Americans". A divide is created by definition, quit defining like this, we are all equal.

But quoting something that I hear quite often from this President took place a few months back and it went like this " “Like the rest of America, Black America, in the aggregate, is better off now than it was when I came into office,” said President Obama on December 19, in response to a question by Urban Radio Networks White House Correspondent April Ryan.

Now would you in all fairness ask the Black White House Correspondent "April Ryan" the same question you asked me? Was Obama supposed to be POTUS just for us Black Folks?

But since you asked for some specifics let me just quote these statements from a recent article, from Black Press USA, the voice of the black community:

What planet African Americans are doing “better off” on is unknown. What is known is that President Obama is about to leave office with African Americans in their worst economic situation since Ronald Reagan. A look at every key stat as President Obama starts his sixth year in office illustrates that.

Unemployment.
The average Black unemployment under President Bush was 10 percent. The average under President Obama after six years is 14 percent. Black unemployment, “has always been double” [that of Whites] but it hasn’t always been 14 percent. The administration was silent when Black unemployment hit 16 percent – a 27-year high – in late 2011.

Poverty.
The percentage of Blacks in poverty in 2009 was 25 percent; it is now 27 percent. The issue of poverty is rarely mentioned by the president or any members of his cabinet. Currently, more than 45 million people – 1 in 7 Americans – live below the poverty line.

The Black/White Wealth Gap.
The wealth gap between Blacks and Whites in America is at a 24-year high. A December study by PEW Research Center revealed the average White household is worth $141,900, and the average Black household is worth $11,000. From 2010 to 2013, the median income for Black households plunged 9 percent.

Income inequality.
“Between 2009 and 2012 the top one percent of Americans enjoyed 95 percent of all income gains, according to research from U.C. Berkeley,” reported The Atlantic. It was the worst since 1928. As income inequality has widened during President Obama’s time in office, the president has endorsed tax policy that has widened inequality, such as the Bush Tax cuts.

Education:
The high school dropout rate has improved during the Obama administration. However, currently 42 percent of Black children attend high poverty schools, compared to only 6 percent of White students. The Department of Education’s change to Parent PLUS loans requirements cost HBCU’s more than $150 million and interrupted the educations of 28,000-plus HBCU students.

SBA Loans.
In March 2014, the Wall Street Journal reported that only 1.7 percent of $23 billion in SBA loans went to Black-owned businesses in 2013, the lowest loan of SBA lending to Black businesses on record. During the Bush presidency, the percentage of SBA loans to Black businesses was 8 percent – more than four times the Obama rate.

[Economic and Tax Policy]
President Obama continued Bush’s economic policy by deciding not to allow the Bush tax cuts expire in 2010 and agreeing to make them permanent in 2013. While he did this Black civil rights leaders said nothing. Soon after, in the president’s budget, there were cuts to community block grants and a budget increase for the Federal Bureau of Prisons.

President Obama’s support of the Bush tax cuts are support for “trickle down” economics — that is, a tax break for the top 1 percent. Billionaire Warren Buffett spoke against the Bush tax cuts. There would have been $4 trillion in additional revenue had the president simply let the Bush tax cuts expire.

[Black Influence on Presidential Decision Making]
In 2011, when Al Sharpton told CBS’ 60 Minutes that, “Obama already said he won’t do anything for Blacks, duh,” it signaled that Black civil rights leaders would not push the first Black president hard on Black issues. Sharpton has been in the White House 61 times since 2009, probably more than any member of Congress, including leadership, over that period.

With that type of access to power one has to ask: Where are the positive policy results? The good news is that President Obama has appointed more Black people as federal judges than any other president in American history. The federal prison population has decreased and the rate of Americans without health insurance has dropped, even with Republican governors in the South blocking the Affordable Care Act.

But the president appears to be unwilling to use the full power of his office to push targeted policy to assist African Americans as he has done for Latinos, gays and lesbians, and other groups. As he spoke on December 19, President Obama said of African Americans that, “They’re working hard… They’re out there hustling and trying to get an education, trying to send their kids to college. But they’re starting behind, oftentimes, in the race.”

Obama seems to understand the historic adversity Blacks have faced yet that understanding hasn’t translated into the hard mechanics of specific policy such as funding for summer jobs, budget increases for community block grants or substantial increases for Pell Grants or programs such as GearUp. All segments of Black America seem willing to give President Obama a pass on his failure to deliver for African Americans.

- See more at: http://www.blackpressusa.com/is-blac....fSWQC3pl.dpuf

If all of this is actually true, maybe someone should be telling Obama "black lives matter".
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Many people who are generally perceived to have broken the law have been exonerated. Who, for example, even today believes that O.J. didn't kill Nichole Brown even though a jury determined he was not guilty of having done so? In the matter of Darren Wilson, it's not the government that owes anyone an apology; it's the people who raised the claims of racism on whom the onus for an apology rests. The government did what it was supposed to do -- investigate the matter and determine whether there was sufficient information to warrant bringing the matter to a jury. There is no need for the government to apologize for doing that.

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Here, Here!!!

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That figure just doesn't seem plausible at all. $4 trillion dollars collected from the top 1% of taxpayers?? How can that be when the adjusted gross income reported from all earners amounts to $9 trillion dollars? (http://taxfoundation.org/article/sum...ome-tax-data-0) The Bush tax cuts were good for wealthy folks, but they weren't that good. LOL

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You may be correct. I do know that David Scharfstein, a Harvard finance professor and Elizabeth Vale are there quite a lot. I don't know how much in comparison to Sharpton.

The data that can show whether you are correct about Sharpton are here: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-...isitor-records . I haven't checked that data and I won't because I'm well aware that it's never "after six o'clock" in Washington these days.

Additionally, the most frequent visitors to the White House should not be members of Congress but rather advisors and other members of the President's administration. Members of Congress have no particular reason for being seen by a president as experts who can provide unbiased and objective information and analysis on current matters. Representatives and Senators, by definition, (supposedly) represent their voting constituents, not national interests overall, and that necessarily means they will be biased.

Quite simply, Congress is "hired" to be biased in terms of policy making. (That the bias often has more to do with what "big money" wants rather than individual voters want is another reason there's little input that Congress members can provide.) Meeting with Congress members can provide one bit of usable information; it can inform the President on the difficulty or ease with which a given proposal may make its way through committee and to the floor.

Orange:
Perhaps so. In the past, Presidents could overtly favor their own race and suffer no recriminations for having done so. That's not possible these days, not for Mr. Obama and not for modern era white Presidents.

Does that mean Obama shouldn't take more overt actions to address the fortunes of black citizens? I'm not ready to say "yes" or "no" in answer to that question. I don't think I'd hold it against him were he to do so, largely because blacks got the "short end of the stick" for so long (that is if they got any part at all, and assuming they weren't literally beaten with it, which for 100+ years they often were), but I also don't want Obama to set a precedent that future non-minority Presidents use or abuse.

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Tony20009 if ya have access to a smart phone you'll find bimmerpost easier to read, especially with lengthy cut N paste post fragments. Although some posters have accused you of lengthy post awards, I find them easier to read on a Note 4.

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I read on a PC monitor (size varies by PC, but the smallest is 19") or laptop screen. I don't read any prose on a smartphone; the screen's too small. TY for the suggestion, however.

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