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      03-14-2016, 04:49 PM   #1101
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Rule #1 Psychology 101, make fun silently of what you fear.

It's like learning public speaking, easy as long as you imagine the audience as a bunch of chimpanzees.
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I've read several takes on his pissing off the brits. All the same conclusion...obama is a hypocrite and now he's heading over there to try and change their opinions re: EU. Yikes.
Spouting off to the Atlantic magazine is coming back to bite him.
Obama is not my flavour of the month but I still have hope he has something more intelligent to say than the current constant scaremongering from both sides here in the uk. Personally I still like the guy and look forward to what he has to say unlike every uk and European politician so far
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...should-we.html

How about we make a trade - the UK takes back John Oliver, Piers Morgan, and Daniel Craig, and we agree to let Obama back into the US?
Haha. I can't stand John Oliver...no idea how he got his own show.
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Also my friend reading is a good place to learn, but since it's lesson time for you and your friends, go ahead and try and dispute this from the words of the law itself....

You Can't Hurt People or Incite Trouble

In 1942, the U.S. Supreme Court added "incitement" to the list of things not covered by freedom of speech. "Fighting words" are against the law and not protected. You can't abuse someone verbally, or use words to rile a crowd into doing something illegal. Law enforcement can criminally charge you for your conduct, and you wouldn't be able to claim that you were exercising your constitutional rights.

I have a funny feeling you will probably have some trouble disputing the above.
Why would I dispute it?
But it is funny that you mention "incitement". When the only one being accused of this is Trump.

If your referring to the Trump rally in Chicago. I can tell you the anti-Trump group in the pavilion were not at all being disruptive. They did not get the chance even if they wanted too. Trump shut it down before it even began. Anyways, this conversation is pretty pointless.
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Just in on CNN, polls are showing that Trump has increased his average in combined polls 22% since in the 36 hours from Friday to Monday. Good job moveon.org, just like our Republican candidates, the more you F with him, the powerful his base becomes.

Goodby little Marco, even move on is helping Trump.
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      03-14-2016, 10:21 PM   #1106
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Excellent analysis of Trump on Politico

Trump’s Week of Errors, Exaggerations and Flat-out Falsehoods

"Donald Trump says he is a truthful man. “'Maybe truthful to a fault,'” he boasted last week at a North Carolina rally where one of his supporters sucker punched a protester.

But truthful he is not.

With the GOP front-runner scooping up delegates in a march toward the Republican nomination, POLITICO subjected a week’s worth of his words to our magazine’s fact-checking process. We chronicled 4.6 hours of stump speeches and press conferences, from a rally in Concord, N.C., on Monday to a rally on Friday in St. Louis.

The result: more than five dozen statements deemed mis-characterizations, exaggerations, or simply false – the kind of stuff that would have been stripped from one of our stories, or made the whole thing worthy of the spike. It equates to roughly one misstatement every five minutes on average.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...#ixzz42wDLGfJI
Follow us: @politico on Twitter | Politico on Facebook"


What's amazing to me is that so many are so easily swayed by his promises and lies and even when proof is shoved in their face, like I did with the link up above, they still steadfastly deny it... amazing. And I blame the press as well as most of them won't nail him on statements when he makes them.
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Excellent analysis of Trump on Politico

TrumpÂ’s Week of Errors, Exaggerations and Flat-out Falsehoods

"Donald Trump says he is a truthful man. “'Maybe truthful to a fault,'” he boasted last week at a North Carolina rally where one of his supporters sucker punched a protester.

But truthful he is not.

With the GOP front-runner scooping up delegates in a march toward the Republican nomination, POLITICO subjected a weekÂ’s worth of his words to our magazineÂ’s fact-checking process. We chronicled 4.6 hours of stump speeches and press conferences, from a rally in Concord, N.C., on Monday to a rally on Friday in St. Louis.

The result: more than five dozen statements deemed mis-characterizations, exaggerations, or simply false – the kind of stuff that would have been stripped from one of our stories, or made the whole thing worthy of the spike. It equates to roughly one misstatement every five minutes on average.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...#ixzz42wDLGfJI
Follow us: @politico on Twitter | Politico on Facebook"


What's amazing to me is that so many are so easily swayed by his promises and lies and even when proof is shoved in their face, like I did with the link up above, they still steadfastly deny it... amazing. And I blame the press as well as most of them won't nail him on statements when he makes them.
All of Trumps fact checking flubs, exaggerated statements, UN truths, whatever you want to call it from the cites of organizations like politico, MSNBC, CNN, who cares? Knowbody cares except people that feel that either the freebies will stop, or their just not interest in the Republican brand, who cares. I along with millions want a man to lead this Country that has some sort of experience in business, negotiating deals, strong in military, strong in finance, people other countries will fear and respect, strong in trade, and a person that will refuse to apologize for our Country, and obviously hates second place and will only be satisfied when were winning. That sort of person has not been around in years, that sort of Leadership has been lacking in American politics forever.

That guy that carries that Leadership is Donald J. Trump. He knows how to unite, in fact some of the liberals have even accused him of having some Democrat talking points, he draws from both side, that's unity.

His property ownership in the US alone is phenomenal, his net worth billions more than that of any other candidate on either side. His properties are debt free, yes free of mortgages fact check that.

A loser is far from the truth for Trump, his financial success is proof enough he has the leadership to run our Country.

So at the end of the day throw whatever makes you happy at Trump, show us links from MSNBC, politico, CNN throw us Romney for that matter who cares, at this point it will only make him stronger in the end like the past few months have proven.
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OMG I think I just figured out why the democrats are so scared and worried....

Trish Regan: "The Democratic Party is increasingly the party of special interest groups, race activists, gender activists, gay and lesbian activists. Hey, where are white working class advocates? Hillary Clinton should be worried because I'll tell you where they are: They're all taking a hard look at Donald J. Trump."

Explains the guys on this thread for the most part, a real sad group right about now.

What a group of special interests, yikes!
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OMG I think I just figured out why the democrats are so scared and worried....

Trish Regan: "The Democratic Party is increasingly the party of special interest groups, race activists, gender activists, gay and lesbian activists. Hey, where are white working class advocates? Hillary Clinton should be worried because I'll tell you where they are: They're all taking a hard look at Donald J. Trump."

Explains the guys on this thread for the most part, a real sad group right about now.

What a group of special interests, yikes!
You're becoming as entertaining as Trump, please go on...
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OMG I think I just figured out why the democrats are so scared and worried....

Trish Regan: "The Democratic Party is increasingly the party of special interest groups, race activists, gender activists, gay and lesbian activists. Hey, where are white working class advocates? Hillary Clinton should be worried because I'll tell you where they are: They're all taking a hard look at Donald J. Trump."

Explains the guys on this thread for the most part, a real sad group right about now.

What a group of special interests, yikes!
You hit the nail right on the head there brother. Gee why are so many people willing to back Trump? Maybe because we are sick and tired of walking on fucking egg shells for every special interest group out there.
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      03-15-2016, 06:37 AM   #1111
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All of Trumps fact checking flubs, exaggerated statements, UN truths, whatever you want to call it from the cites of organizations like politico, MSNBC, CNN, who cares? Knowbody cares except people that feel that either the freebies will stop, or their just not interest in the Republican brand, who cares. I along with millions want a man to lead this Country that has some sort of experience in business, negotiating deals, strong in military, strong in finance, people other countries will fear and respect, strong in trade, and a person that will refuse to apologize for our Country, and obviously hates second place and will only be satisfied when were winning. That sort of person has not been around in years, that sort of Leadership has been lacking in American politics forever.

That guy that carries that Leadership is Donald J. Trump. He knows how to unite, in fact some of the liberals have even accused him of having some Democrat talking points, he draws from both side, that's unity.

His property ownership in the US alone is phenomenal, his net worth billions more than that of any other candidate on either side. His properties are debt free, yes free of mortgages fact check that.

A loser is far from the truth for Trump, his financial success is proof enough he has the leadership to run our Country.

So at the end of the day throw whatever makes you happy at Trump, show us links from MSNBC, politico, CNN throw us Romney for that matter who cares, at this point it will only make him stronger in the end like the past few months have proven.
You are missing so many points... I guess you don't give a shit about having a president who defend the American values, he has no political experience just like Obama (I'm sure you hate him). Wake up sir, a person with financial success is not enough to run a country. Being POTUS is not like being the CEO of a big company, it is far from reality. Negotiating with investors and Chinese manufacturing companies cannot be compared to negotiating with North Korea or Iran. The consequences of the first one is you don't get your tie and apparel business going, the second one can be WW3.

I respect your freedom to support whoever you want but I do not respect your reasoning, it is very ignorant of the reality.

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You are missing so many points... I guess you don't give a shit about having a president who defend the American values, he has no political experience just like Obama (I'm sure you hate him). Wake up sir, a person with financial success is not enough to run a country. Being POTUS is not like being the CEO of a big company, it is far from reality. Negotiating with investors and Chinese manufacturing companies cannot be compared with negotiating with North Korea or Iran. The consequences of the first one is you don't get your tie and apparel business going, the second one can be WW3.

I respect your freedom to support whoever you want but I do not respect your reasoning, it is very ignorant of the reality.
After sitting on the sidelines reading through these comments, it is clear to me that this member BEMR has no want for the US to do better as a country, he/she just wants his/her team to win. He/she doesn't care at all about how it will effect the US, just so long as his/her idol gets to the presidency.
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You are missing so many points... I guess you don't give a shit about having a president who defend the American values, he has no political experience just like Obama (I'm sure you hate him). Wake up sir, a person with financial success is not enough to run a country. Being POTUS is not like being the CEO of a big company, it is far from reality. Negotiating with investors and Chinese manufacturing companies cannot be compared with negotiating with North Korea or Iran. The consequences of the first one is you don't get your tie and apparel business going, the second one can be WW3.

I respect your freedom to support whoever you want but I do not respect your reasoning, it is very ignorant of the reality.
After sitting on the sidelines reading through these comments, it is clear to me that this member BEMR has no want for the US to do better as a country, he/she just wants his/her team to win. He/she doesn't care at all about how it will effect the US, just so long as his/her idol gets to the presidency.
It's a laugher reading some of the responses past couple days, or lack of responses in defensive of your positions, this one couldn't be further from the truth.

And my lack of concern as to where this Country is going? What about our self proclaimed socialist candidate? So many Trump haters it's a joke when the haters are becoming a minority every day with the growing size of the Trump movement.

Unfortunately many will start to realize that that United States is a by the people for the people democracy. The majority will decide, and the majority is speaking in numbers we are sick and tired of a government that is so fucked up and can't even negotiate a butter knife properly. And sorry to the other poster, negotiating is negotiating, business or political, the forum is different but the basis of negotiating is the same.

Our Country loses at everything, then guys like that are negative posting here, make attempts at defending our losing Country. Who in the fk thinks the 150 billion dollar Iran Nuke deal is positive for our Country, joke, the traitor Berdahl prisoner swap, closing Guantanamo, there all jokes. And at the end of the day SOME guys here defending our negotiating tactics by saying it's a different kind of negotiating and Trump negotiating teams won't work, says who?

The speculation over Trump over the past year has been wrong on every turn by most, why should anybody believe in future speculation that is going to be any more predictable.

More people should be worried about socialism coming to America, not Trump, and how socialism in the EU is putting the European countries on the edges of disaster, that's news. But then again Bernie's only chance is Hillarys bid for an orange jumpsuit.
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It's a laugher reading some of the responses past couple days, or lack of responses in defensive of your positions, this one couldn't be further from the truth.

And my lack of concern as to where this Country is going? What about our self proclaimed socialist candidate? So many Trump haters it's a joke when the haters are becoming a minority every day with the growing size of the Trump movement.

Unfortunately many will start to realize that that United States is a by the people for the people democracy. The majority will decide, and the majority is speaking in numbers we are sick and tired of a government that is so fucked up and can't even negotiate a butter knife properly. And sorry to the other poster, negotiating is negotiating, business or political, the forum is different but the basis of negotiating is the same.

Our Country loses at everything, then guys like that are negative posting here, make attempts at defending our losing Country. Who in the fk thinks the 150 billion dollar Iran Nuke deal is positive for our Country, joke, the traitor Berdahl prisoner swap, closing Guantanamo, there all jokes. And at the end of the day SOME guys here defending our negotiating tactics by saying it's a different kind of negotiating and Trump negotiating teams won't work, says who?

The speculation over Trump over the past year has been wrong on every turn by most, why should anybody believe in future speculation that is going to be any more predictable.

More people should be worried about socialism coming to America, not Trump, and how socialism in the EU is putting the European countries on the edges of disaster, that's news. But then again Bernie's only chance is Hillarys bid for an orange jumpsuit.

I see your points on your post and I share a lot of them but Trump is not the answer. I'm not saying Hillary or Bernie are either... You cannot give a clown with the power to push the button on the football and blow everyone up.

Trump can be very successful at his business ventures but make no mistake, that doesn't mean he is well equipped to be the one who will fix Washington.

No, negotiating is not the same! When you negotiate and lose as the POTUS then 300 million people lose, the whole economy, etc... You don't have the luxury to say "Oh well, lesson learned, maybe next time" you cannot declare bankruptcy or settle out of court. It is easy for a business man to start a new business after failing, you cannot start a new country.

You touch the subject about the self proclaimed socialist candidate and also compare it with the EU (Even Bernie took some ideas from them). It is clear that voters won't go for it, even if they do our congress won't allow it. Do me a favor and forget about Bernie, he won't be our next president.

You state that the US is for the people by the people democracy. It is no longer that way sir. It is for the rich by the rich.
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I see your points on your post and I share a lot of them but Trump is not the answer. I'm not saying Hillary or Bernie are either... You cannot give a clown with the power to push the button on the football and blow everyone up.

Trump can be very successful at his business ventures but make no mistake, that doesn't mean he is well equipped to be the one who will fix Washington.

No, negotiating is not the same! When you negotiate and lose as the POTUS then 300 million people lose, the whole economy, etc... You don't have the luxury to say "Oh well, lesson learned, maybe next time" you cannot declare bankruptcy or settle out of court. It is easy for a business man to start a new business after failing, you cannot start a new country.

You touch the subject about the self proclaimed socialist candidate and also compare it with the EU (Even Bernie took some ideas from them). It is clear that voters won't go for it, even if they do our congress won't allow it. Do me a favor and forget about Bernie, he won't be our next president.

You state that the US is for the people by the people democracy. It is no longer that way sir. It is for the rich by the rich.
You're both right to an extent. The rich are the puppeteers but the tide is rumbling and we shall see how hard tonight. Kpa is right, Bernie has basically no chance. Not because of hillarys being the DNC and many puppeteers puppet but because if hillary does get indicted Bernie would probably get beaten by a kangaroo with the right campaign manager.
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Trump gives me the jitters at times but as I've mentioned, he has ZERO desire to become president and fail. It's not as much the victory after you win it's what can I win next. I know trump is built like that. Win, win and win some more.
I read a piece this morning that mentioned his behavior patterns and what not, told by his former butler.
Per article.
Gracious. Giving. Particular. Temper when something wasn't right. Sleeps 3 hours. Always moving.
Sounds like good traits for a leader...well, we all have tempers to some degree lol.
He'd want to press the button about as much as he'd like to sell his children. The few button happy leaders we DO have on this planet are the ones to worry about.
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Good responses Klause and gonzo, but it's so easy to forget a lot of the bombastic statements that Trump makes if you live in the Southern California area. Over the past 20 or 30 years I have watched are Southern California area go from 24% Hispanic population to 52 percent Hispanic population with thousands upon thousands coming across our border to work in Southern California and take away jobs and I mean take away jobs by the thousands. 90% of the labor jobs in just about any industry out here are employed by Mexican workers of course they're people too but I deal with a lot of businesses that deal with the Hispanic population and even they can admit that the majority of them have come across the borders illegally figured out a way to become Americanized supposedly, having babies or otherwise, and now we pay for their health care and now we pay for their food, and now they take jobs, with a borderless country your going to have issues.

Trump is the only candidate that immediately started out mentioning our immigration problem regarding illegal immigrants coming into our country illegally, that's the key word illegal. the illegal immigration may not kill jobs in your area but it certainly does here and with this candidate wanting to build a wall wanting to vet immigrants wanting to slow down the flow wanted to stop the Syrian refugees by the hundreds of thousands coming into this country like the Obama Administration wants to do if there's any reason at all I'm for Trump that would be just the only single reason if anything at all.

I would love for anybody to debate how illegal immigration coming into a country that is ready to implode financially is a good thing. if you just drive around for the day between San Diego and Santa Ana and came in contact with as many people as you could you would be surprised how many have no idea how to speak English, that would make no sense to someone in Ohio someone in Kansas someone in Arkansas someone in Idaho but it does make sense to someone in Southern California in southern Texas and southern New Mexico and Southern Arizona just ask Sheriff Arpaio who endorses Trump, he sees it first hand daily.

If Hillary Clinton gets her way there would never be a border fence in fact the walls would come down completely and we would see a mass entrance of all immigration overcrowding our Country even more.

the 14th Amendment offers citizenship or Birthright to individuals that are automatically born into our country one of only a couple countries that will allow this, I have paramedic clients that work along the border of Tijuana Mexico that on a daily basis women that are in their third trimester of pregnancy step across the border call nine-one-one have their child and become American citizens immediately it happens every day.

Unless you live in El Paso San Diego Calexico Brownsville Columbus Laredo Nogales McAllen you probably would not understand what I'm talking about and to see that the only candidate running for president wants to reinforce all of those cities with a border wall and have the border patrol exercise the law to send back illegal immigrants as they are supposed to by law instead of being issued orders to stand down you would see what I mean.

An economy must rely on jobs in the event that we fail to employ our people our country will lose every time Trump has shown more interest in this subject than any other candidate so basically I could really care less about any other aspects of how people may be afraid that he can push a button all alone and cause major Havoc to 300 million people that is very doubtful in my opinion.
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Well, California's ad slogan to lure the Olympics is
"Los Angeles, the North American Capital of Latin America."

That blew my mind when I read it. Moonbeam Brown at his finest.
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Oops.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/the-d..._9462374.html?

Heads are gonna roll if this writer is correct...which I believe is.
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His property ownership in the US alone is phenomenal, his net worth billions more than that of any other candidate on either side. His properties are debt free, yes free of mortgages fact check that.
Do you mean his personal homes or his properties through Trump Corporation?

If it's the latter, there's no way in fucking hell that's true. That's impossible. The former I could understand.
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Ok, so here's a little lesson for you. The First Amendment protects you from the GOVERNMENT. Not from other PEOPLE. It is astonishing how many people do not get this simple concept. So even if the anti Trump group prevented him from speaking(which did not happen), it still would not be a violation of his free speech.
Not 100% true, Free Speech also covers instances of people trying to incite violence (it's why you can't do anything like yell BOMB on an airplane).

Not sure what these morons in Chicago did that caused the Trump camp to postpone the rally, but I doubt it's anything that falls under what I just mentioned.
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No "stretch" at all..shoot I live in FL. I don't know anyone who gets their shit for free because I hangout with people who work hard and earn their living...a novel idea..
Bullshit, no one works in Florida. Plus the abuse happens no matter who's President. I don't think Obama has made easier or worse than any other President, he, like many before him, just haven't put in an effort to curtail waste. You got more unemployment claims and what not under his watch but that's because of the recession.
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