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      03-16-2016, 04:59 PM   #1189
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Hopefully we won't have illegals here in the first place, and hopefully the practice of letting people claim a tax refund without a social security number will end.
Gosh....how Trump is going to magically round up/deport 9-11mm individuals would be quite a feat. What are his plans on how to get that done?


The IRS likely doesn't go after many of the EIC violators because it's not worth the man hours. The IRS gets the most bang for their/our buck, so to speak, by auditing/investigating multi-million dollar tax frauds. Not from getting $1000 back from some schmoe.
It's very simple: close the tax loophole, and punish employers who hire illegals. Make the federal e-Verify system mandatory. Removing their jobs will cause a wholesale exodus back to Mexico. Deport the ones who are left, just like Eisenhower deported 2M of them is 1953.
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Or the ones that died en route.

Or the fact that most of these migrants were brought in during WWII to provide labor while everyone was at war.

Or the fact that it was completely unsuccessful in the mid-to-long run.
But you don't understand other_evolved, the people they deported were BROWN. Don't you get it, we can't have brown people in the US. Folks like bbbbbmw can't handle anyone that has brown skin in THEIR country. They steal $2.45 trillion in welfare money, they took all of the jobzzzzz in his town, they made his life a living HELL don't you understand ... HELL ...

It doesn't matter if innocent people died, or US citizens were deported. We kept the brown people out of our country. Phwew thankfully "Operation Wetback" was a resounding success.
If you don't have a defensible position, play the race card.
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So in a general election, how does trump win?

He should win the same states that Romney won, with the addition of Florida, and possibly Ohio if he can get Kasich to support him. But that still isn't enough, what other states can he win that Romney didn't?
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Or the ones that died en route.

Or the fact that most of these migrants were brought in during WWII to provide labor while everyone was at war.

Or the fact that it was completely unsuccessful in the mid-to-long run.
But you don't understand other_evolved, the people they deported were BROWN. Don't you get it, we can't have brown people in the US. Folks like bbbbbmw can't handle anyone that has brown skin in THEIR country. They steal $2.45 trillion in welfare money, they took all of the jobzzzzz in his town, they made his life a living HELL don't you understand ... HELL ...

It doesn't matter if innocent people died, or US citizens were deported. We kept the brown people out of our country. Phwew thankfully "Operation Wetback" was a resounding success.
If you don't have a defensible position, play the race card.
I don't like the word WETBACK actually it's similar to calling a black man a N...

Those words are very offensive these days and amazing that our own government would allow the use back then in an open government operation.
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Hopefully we won't have illegals here in the first place, and hopefully the practice of letting people claim a tax refund without a social security number will end.
Gosh....how Trump is going to magically round up/deport 9-11mm individuals would be quite a feat. What are his plans on how to get that done?


The IRS likely doesn't go after many of the EIC violators because it's not worth the man hours. The IRS gets the most bang for their/our buck, so to speak, by auditing/investigating multi-million dollar tax frauds. Not from getting $1000 back from some schmoe.
Actually, 2/3 of IRS audits are done to people making less than $50k/yr. amazing they hassle the little guys
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Or the ones that died en route.

Or the fact that most of these migrants were brought in during WWII to provide labor while everyone was at war.

Or the fact that it was completely unsuccessful in the mid-to-long run.
But you don't understand other_evolved, the people they deported were BROWN. Don't you get it, we can't have brown people in the US. Folks like bbbbbmw can't handle anyone that has brown skin in THEIR country. They steal $2.45 trillion in welfare money, they took all of the jobzzzzz in his town, they made his life a living HELL don't you understand ... HELL ...

It doesn't matter if innocent people died, or US citizens were deported. We kept the brown people out of our country. Phwew thankfully "Operation Wetback" was a resounding success.
If you don't have a defensible position, play the race card.
I don't like the word WETBACK actually it's similar to calling a black man a N...

Those words are very offensive these days and amazing that our own government would allow the use back then in an open government operation.
Different times, different society. Some would be offended today by the NAACP. Don't judge them - after all, whats in a name?
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Actually, 2/3 of IRS audits are done to people making less than $50k/yr. amazing they hassle the little guys
Yeah, that's not true according to the IRS.
http://time.com/money/3820009/irs-tax-audit-chances/
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Don't bother him with facts, he will just say it's a liberal, fake source.. after all, he's a Trump groupie and learning from his master.
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agreed, most people that make <$50K USD don't pay taxes.


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Yeah, that's not true according to the IRS.
http://time.com/money/3820009/irs-tax-audit-chances/
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Actually, 2/3 of IRS audits are done to people making less than $50k/yr. amazing they hassle the little guys
Yeah, that's not true according to the IRS.
http://time.com/money/3820009/irs-tax-audit-chances/
I was looking at the same source. Unless I'm reading the chart wrong, if you add together the percentage of audits in the under $50k brackets, it totals 64.23% of all audits (1.83%, 39.08 %, 23.32%). Did I miss something?
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Don't bother him with facts, he will just say it's a liberal, fake source.. after all, he's a Trump groupie and learning from his master.
Aren't you the guy who thought Obama took office in 2012?
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Aren't you the guy who thought Obama took office in 2012?
No, I already explained, several posts ago, that was a mistake, but I know you don't actually read things, you just skim and pick, up what is negative in your mind then spread it around as fact, like right now.
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I was looking at the same source. Unless I'm reading the chart wrong, if you add together the percentage of audits in the under $50k brackets, it totals 64.23% of all audits (1.83%, 39.08 %, 23.32%). Did I miss something?
Yup, reading it wrong.
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I was looking at the same source. Unless I'm reading the chart wrong, if you add together the percentage of audits in the under $50k brackets, it totals 64.23% of all audits (1.83%, 39.08 %, 23.32%). Did I miss something?
Uhh.. yeah, you missed a lot .. now I see what you are having problems with grasping situations, you can't actually read things with out preconceived ideas.

In this case you are adding up the percentages of total returns, not the total of audited returns, that you were initially complaining about when you said,

"Actually, 2/3 of IRS audits are done to people making less than $50k/yr. amazing they hassle the little guys." post #1200 above


$1 – $50k 62% of returns 1.47% audited

50k -1 million 35.5% of returns 7.57% audited

1 million to +10 Mill .27% of returns and 32.96 audited.

You may also notice the huge income disparity here, and this doesn't actually show the non disclosed, hidden accounts set up by corporations, and the extreme rich class who get off with paying little or no taxes at all... at the rest of our expense, in higher taxes. Meanwhile, many politicians blame government completely for the lack of funding while ignoring the fact that the progressive tax system is almost non progressive now.

And Trump is going to fix that... OMG it's scary that people can be so naive.. it's like putting in a fox to guard the chicken coop.
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I was looking at the same source. Unless I'm reading the chart wrong, if you add together the percentage of audits in the under $50k brackets, it totals 64.23% of all audits (1.83%, 39.08 %, 23.32%). Did I miss something?
Uhh.. yeah, you missed a lot .. now I see what you are having problems with grasping situations, you can't actually read things with out preconceived ideas.

In this case you are adding up the percentages of total returns, not the total of audited returns, that you were initially complaining about when you said,

"Actually, 2/3 of IRS audits are done to people making less than $50k/yr. amazing they hassle the little guys." post #1200 above


$1 – $50k 62% of returns 1.47% audited

50k -1 million 35.5% of returns 7.57% audited

1 million to +10 Mill .27% of returns and 32.96 audited.

You may also notice the huge income disparity here, and this doesn't actually show the non disclosed, hidden accounts set up by corporations, and the extreme rich class who get off with paying little or no taxes at all... at the rest of our expense, in higher taxes. Meanwhile, many politicians blame government completely for the lack of funding while ignoring the fact that the progressive tax system is almost non progressive now.

And Trump is going to fix that... OMG it's scary that people can be so naive.. it's like putting in a fox to guard the chicken coop.
I did read the chart wrong - thanks for catching that, and thanks for the correction. Here I was thinking that the IRS was trampling on the lower income folks, when in reality it seems that the higher incomes are audited far more frequently? I guess since the top 10% of earners pay 68+% of all federal income taxes it makes sense that the IRS would focus their efforts there.
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Don't bother him with facts, he will just say it's a liberal, fake source.. after all, he's a Trump groupie and learning from his master.
I "think" he is actually a she. Not that it matters but "him & he's" triggered my memory or what's left of it.
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I "think" he is actually a she. Not that it matters but "him & he's" triggered my memory or what's left of it.
That's OK, I'm not Trump
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I did read the chart wrong - thanks for catching that, and thanks for the correction. Here I was thinking that the IRS was trampling on the lower income folks, when in reality it seems that the higher incomes are audited far more frequently? I guess since the top 10% of earners pay 68+% of all federal income taxes it makes sense that the IRS would focus their efforts there.
No, I'm afraid you still don't get it, that last part is wrong... they aren't paying their fair share of taxes, that's the problem. There is very little left of the progressive income tax system we used to have; it's full of loop holes now that only the most wealthy or corporations can take advantage of. Most of them in the ultra high income brackets are paying very little or nothing. The tax burden has been dumped on the lower and upper middle class wage earners.
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I did read the chart wrong - thanks for catching that, and thanks for the correction. Here I was thinking that the IRS was trampling on the lower income folks, when in reality it seems that the higher incomes are audited far more frequently? I guess since the top 10% of earners pay 68+% of all federal income taxes it makes sense that the IRS would focus their efforts there.
No, I'm afraid you still don't get it, that last part is wrong... they aren't paying their fair share of taxes, that's the problem. There is very little left of the progressive income tax system we used to have; it's full of loop holes now that only the most wealthy or corporations can take advantage of. Most of them in the ultra high income brackets are paying very little or nothing. The tax burden has been dumped on the lower and upper middle class wage earners.
1. What would be "their fair share?" Who gets to decide what's "fair?" Is it fair that they pay the vast majority of the tax bill, while the bottom 50% pays nothing, or receives money?

2. What are these loopholes?
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No, I'm afraid you still don't get it, that last part is wrong... they aren't paying their fair share of taxes, that's the problem. There is very little left of the progressive income tax system we used to have; it's full of loop holes now that only the most wealthy or corporations can take advantage of. Most of them in the ultra high income brackets are paying very little or nothing. The tax burden has been dumped on the lower and upper middle class wage earners.
Citation needed please.


The lion share of federal income tax receipts come from a very small portion of the population, and I don't think you are accurately portraying which part of the population pays the most.


I'm of the opinion that taxes need to be reworked for a huge portion of the population. Most deciles have lower effective rates now compared to what they did in the past. Couple that with drastically higher spending, and we get a picture of the cause of our national debt.
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It's very simple: close the tax loophole, and punish employers who hire illegals. Make the federal e-Verify system mandatory. Removing their jobs will cause a wholesale exodus back to Mexico. Deport the ones who are left, just like Eisenhower deported 2M of them is 1953.
I'm not opposed to enforcing the laws that are already on the books. I would add a guest worker program and modify the welfare/state benefit rules for those guest workers.


Rounding up people, ala Operation Wetback, is not something anyone should be on board with, in my opinion.
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