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Nova Scotia massacre.

51 year old man went on gun rampage killing 16 people at a petrol station in Canada. There was no description just a name of the suspect who died later from unknown cause.
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51 year old man went on gun rampage killing 16 people at a petrol station in Canada. There was no description just a name of the suspect who died later from unknown cause.
Link to an update - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9473386.html

My thoughts are with the victims families, those effected and Canada as a whole.
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A horrible day for Canada. Our thoughts are with you.
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Image of dead suspect and Mountie victim on the Evening Standard site.
Detectives are trying to piece together a motive for the attack.
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The suspect had mocked up RCMP cars and was wearing RCMP uniform.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada..._autoplay=true

Nova Scotia gunman shot dead after killing 17 people in 'senseless' and 'random' rampage
Gabriel Wortman, 51, a denturist in the Halifax area, set fires and shot at police while dressed, terrifyingly, as an RCMP officer and driving a mocked up cruiser


One of the worst mass killings in Canadian history unfolded over 12 hours starting late Saturday night, as Gabriel Wortman, 51, a denturist in the Halifax area, murdered 17 people in a rampage through northern Nova Scotia, setting fires and shooting at police while dressed, terrifyingly, as an RCMP officer and driving a mocked up cruiser.

The spree killing that began Saturday night in the seaside village of Portapique, N.S., ended 100 km away on Sunday morning at a gas station outside Halifax, where Wortman was located by a huge force of police officers and dogs, and died in a confrontation.

Police are still bracing to discover more bodies, as the various crime scenes have not yet been cleared, and further investigative leads remain to be chased down. Nova Scotia RCMP Chief Supt. Chris Leather initially said the death toll is almost certain to be more than 10, and that some of the victims appeared to have no prior connection to the shooter.


The rampage “appears to be at least in part, very random in nature,” Leather said. He would not speculate on motive and declined to say whether there was any commonality among victims that would indicate a hate motive.

The toll exceeds the 14 dead at École Polytechnique in Montreal in 1989, making this the deadliest spree killing in Canadian history.

One of the dead, the first to be formally identified is RCMP Constable Heidi Stevenson, a 23-year veteran and married mother of two, who was killed Sunday morning responding to the active shooter incident.

“Heidi answered the call of duty and lost her life protecting those she served,” said Assistant Commissioner Lee Bergerman. Another male officer received a non-life threatening injury.




Another victim was identified informally as Lisa McCully, according to a Facebook post by her sister Jenny Kierstead. McCully was a grade three and four teacher at Debert Elementary School. She also volunteered as a youth leader at a United Church of Canada bible camp in Berwick, N.S.


There are also injured people, including some who may have checked into hospitals, police said.

Wortman’s death at the gas station in Enfield, near the Halifax Stanfield International Airport, is the subject of an investigation by Nova Scotia’s Serious Incident Response Team, a police oversight body.

“This is one of the most senseless acts of violence in the province’s history,” Nova Scotia Premier Stephen McNeil said before a coronavirus briefing Sunday. “We’re in shock that such a thing could happen here in Nova Scotia and it’s a heavy burden to bear on top of COVID-19.”

The police response to the atrocity began with a burst of emergency calls around 11:30 p.m. Saturday, about firearms at a house in Portapique, along the north shore of Cobequid Bay, a rural area of farms and recreational properties.

Officers arrived to a “chaotic” scene, Leather said, with casualties inside and outside a house. That prompted a massive emergency response including helicopters, emergency task force officers, and other forces.

The search led to multiple buildings that were being consumed by fire, a series of murder scenes that have yet to be cleared.


At one point in the evening Wortman exchanged gunfire with police, Leather said, but he managed to evade immediate capture and was at large throughout the night.

An overnight fire was reported in Wentworth, north of Portapique, although police did not confirm specific locations.

Police believe Wortman was acting alone and that the risk to the public is over, after an especially harrowing night for residents ordered to shelter in their basements away from windows until it was safe.

Christine Mills, a resident of Portapique, said she saw officers patrolling the streets and helicopters flying overhead. She was fearful that the shooter might have gone through the woods and attempted to enter her home.

“It’s nerve wracking because you don’t know if somebody has lost their mind and is going to beat in your front door,” she said.


By the morning, according to public alerts from police, the attention of the search had shifted back to a campground near Portapique. Soon after, however, police cautioned Wortman was far on the other side the regional centre of Truro, and gave the impression he was heading south toward Halifax.

At first he was reported to be in the fake police cruiser, a photo of which police released showing the convincing replica in a workshop. Soon after he was said to be driving a silver SUV.

Police appear to have tried to take him down late Sunday morning in a Sobey’s plaza near Shubenacadie, where shopkeepers were ordered to shelter in place. An image posted by the Halifax Chronicle Herald, taken by someone at the scene, showed two cars fully consumed with fire throwing up clouds of smoke.


Paula Hanrahan left her work near this gas station in Enfield, N.S., Sunday morning because she was concerned with the safety of her step-granddaughter who lives in Portapique.

She pulled over to the side of the road when she saw dozens of police officers, decked out in black vests, surround the SUV. One officer was on one knee on top of the vehicle and had his assault rifle pointed into the car through the sunroof. Several others were laying down on their stomachs on the pavement with their rifles at the ready and appeared to be aiming at the front door of the Big Stop. Overhead, she saw a helicopter fly by. Sirens blared in the distance.

It is not known how Wortman died.

“Dogs were scratching at the pavement to get to the car,” Hanrahan said. “There must have been 40 men (outside the gas station).”

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau thanked police for their work and the residents of the communities for their cooperation: “My heart goes out to everyone affected in what is a terrible situation.”


“It’s a tragedy — there’s no other way about it,” Taggart said. “I can’t stop thinking about the people.”

Taggart described Portapique as a “subdivision in the woods where people have acre lots along the shore.” It only houses about 60 to 100 permanent residents in the winter, he said. Many of them travel back and forth between the community and other residences in Nova Scotia.

Wortman owned three properties in the Portapique area, Taggart said. He does not know Wortman personally, he said, but has spoken to him occasionally on the phone. Wortman would call him with municipal concerns such as the roads being too rough or snow plows not showing up on time.

The community is known for being a safe one, Taggart said. It’s often part of the reason why its residents chose it. Waking up to the news of the shooting left him in disbelief.

“It’s absolutely unbelievable this could happen in our community. I never dreamt this would happen here. CNN or Fox News or something like that — but not here.”

With files from Aileen Donnelly
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A 51 year old guy that makes dentures for a living, makes himself up to look like law enforcement and goes on a killing spree? In Nova Scotia? smh
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Terrible news this.
So many innocent deaths.
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the details that are not yet in the news on this is wild... unlike anything we've ever seen up here and probably will stand out among similar incidents the world over.
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This is very unfortunate. My condolences to the victims families.

Many unanswered questions. For one, how did he exchange gun fire with the fallen cop then continue his spree? How did he even gain fire superiority over a trained LEO?

Fourteen hours is a ridiculously long amount of time for him to do damage. What guns was he using and how were they obtained?

Only a very sick and devious human being can plot this and go thru with it. How did he even obtain the uniform and cruiser?

Thank God for the second amendment. I would not want to be shitting myself for 14 hours defenseless at the mercy of this sick bastard.
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This is very unfortunate. My condolences to the victims families.

Many unanswered questions. For one, how did he exchange gun fire with the fallen cop then continue his spree? How did he even gain fire superiority over a trained LEO?

Fourteen hours is a ridiculously long amount of time for him to do damage. What guns was he using and how were they obtained?

Only a very sick and devious human being can plot this and go thru with it. How did he even obtain the uniform and cruiser?

Thank God for the second amendment. I would not want to be shitting myself for 14 hours defenseless at the mercy of this sick bastard.
You can buy retired police cars at auction, the roof lights and decals are removed but I suspect not hard to buy a roof light system on line and the decals could be printed.....we've had lots of instances where people have managed to get uniforms.
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You can buy retired police cars at auction, the roof lights and decals are removed but I suspect not hard to buy a roof light system on line and the decals could be printed.....we've had lots of instances where people have managed to get uniforms.

The quality of the decal work and car was astounding. I’m surprised nobody saw or asked about his recreation of an RCMP car...

Meanwhile, Trudeau is pontificating on gun control again....like that would have helped.
People living in rural areas have limited police protection and long waits for help to arrive. If having a shotgun is my only defence for my family; I’ll take it. It’s ridiculous to suggest that taking away your only means of defence is a solution.

BTW, dressing up as a cop is illegal!
Driving around in a fake marked cop car is illegal

Doesn’t seem to be a sticking point for criminals
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The quality of the decal work and car was astounding. I’m surprised nobody saw or asked about his recreation of an RCMP car...

Meanwhile, Trudeau is pontificating on gun control again....like that would have helped.
People living in rural areas have limited police protection and long waits for help to arrive. If having a shotgun is my only defence for my family; I’ll take it. It’s ridiculous to suggest that taking away your only means of defence is a solution.

BTW, dressing up as a cop is illegal!
Driving around in a fake marked cop car is illegal

Doesn’t seem to be a sticking point for criminals
It's not illegal to own a replica police car or uniform....driving around dressed like a cop in a made up cop car is illegal, but then so is gunning people down.

And you know more gun control is coming from Captain Crayon, it always was though but this NS shooting will embolden Mr. Dress-up

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Thank God for the second amendment. I would not want to be shitting myself for 14 hours defenseless at the mercy of this sick bastard.
You do understand that a good number of us have guns here right? With no second amendment? No, we don't carry when we go out to a store, and I'm happy about not feeling like I might need to. When this stuff happens in your area, are you going out for a stroll? Probably not. Probably you are going out if absolutely necessary, but otherwise, you are in your home and armed in case that person targets your house. Same here. I'd have the shotty out and I might be perpetually "cleaning" the handgun. Murf993 - "cleaning" would be something the cops would accept right?

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It's not illegal to own a replica police car or uniform....driving around dressed like a cop in a made up cop car is illegal, but then so is gunning people down.

And you know more gun control is coming from Captain Crayon, it always was though but this NS shooting will embolden Mr. Dress-up
Oh Turdeau is definitely getting all wet thinking about what he can do to firearm owners now for sure. I agree. Only saving grace is he has a minority, but I think he'd get propped up enough by the NDP / Bloc.
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You do understand that a good number of us have guns here right? With no second amendment? No, we don't carry when we go out to a store, and I'm happy about not feeling like I might need to. When this stuff happens in your area, are you going out for a stroll? Probably not. Probably you are going out if absolutely necessary, but otherwise, you are in your home and armed in case that person targets your house. Same here. I'd have the shotty out and I might be perpetually "cleaning" the handgun. Murf993 - "cleaning" would be something the cops would accept right?



Oh Turdeau is definitely getting all wet thinking about what he can do to firearm owners now for sure. I agree. Only saving grace is he has a minority, but I think he'd get propped up enough by the NDP / Bloc.
It would be irresponsible to not keep your guns good and clean.
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This is very unfortunate. My condolences to the victims families.

Many unanswered questions. For one, how did he exchange gun fire with the fallen cop then continue his spree? How did he even gain fire superiority over a trained LEO?

Fourteen hours is a ridiculously long amount of time for him to do damage. What guns was he using and how were they obtained?

Only a very sick and devious human being can plot this and go thru with it. How did he even obtain the uniform and cruiser?

Thank God for the second amendment. I would not want to be shitting myself for 14 hours defenseless at the mercy of this sick bastard.
You can buy retired police cars at auction, the roof lights and decals are removed but I suspect not hard to buy a roof light system on line and the decals could be printed.....we've had lots of instances where people have managed to get uniforms.
I saw photos of the car he was driving and it looked fairly new, but I'm not sure if that's his original car or the one he stole from the cop he murdered.

Kind of scary to see how detailed and thorough this psycho was just to go around murdering innocent people.
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You can buy retired police cars at auction, the roof lights and decals are removed but I suspect not hard to buy a roof light system on line and the decals could be printed.....we've had lots of instances where people have managed to get uniforms.

The quality of the decal work and car was astounding. I'm surprised nobody saw or asked about his recreation of an RCMP car...

Meanwhile, Trudeau is pontificating on gun control again....like that would have helped.
People living in rural areas have limited police protection and long waits for help to arrive. If having a shotgun is my only defence for my family; I'll take it. It's ridiculous to suggest that taking away your only means of defence is a solution.

BTW, dressing up as a cop is illegal!
Driving around in a fake marked cop car is illegal

Doesn't seem to be a sticking point for criminals
What's interesting is there is NO mention of the types of guns he used, and the guns Trudeau is discussing are already heavily regulated!

I bet he didn't even use anything military related since a cop walking up to your door with an AR-15/M4 is highly suspicious. But we must regulate these unrelated guns further!

That's like discussing a drunk driving tragedy and saying hey, we must regulate drugs even further!
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I saw photos of the car he was driving and it looked fairly new, but I'm not sure if that's his original car or the one he stole from the cop he murdered.

Kind of scary to see how detailed and thorough this psycho was just to go around murdering innocent people.
The RCMP turn their cars over at 120,000 KM generally (about 70,000 miles), and they are usually in decent shape when they go to auction.....lots of people buy used police cars, usually taxi companies. I wouldn't buy one from a municipal police service as they get the shit kicked out of them but rural policing done from smaller detachments tend to take pretty good care of their cars.
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Thank God for the second amendment. I would not want to be shitting myself for 14 hours defenseless at the mercy of this sick bastard.
You do understand that a good number of us have guns here right? With no second amendment? No, we don't carry when we go out to a store, and I'm happy about not feeling like I might need to. When this stuff happens in your area, are you going out for a stroll? Probably not. Probably you are going out if absolutely necessary, but otherwise, you are in your home and armed in case that person targets your house. Same here. I'd have the shotty out and I might be perpetually "cleaning" the handgun. Murf993 - "cleaning" would be something the cops would accept right?

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It's not illegal to own a replica police car or uniform....driving around dressed like a cop in a made up cop car is illegal, but then so is gunning people down.

And you know more gun control is coming from Captain Crayon, it always was though but this NS shooting will embolden Mr. Dress-up
Oh Turdeau is definitely getting all wet thinking about what he can do to firearm owners now for sure. I agree. Only saving grace is he has a minority, but I think he'd get propped up enough by the NDP / Bloc.
Yes I am aware, but that won't be for long since it's not part of the constitution (as far as I know) so Trudeau will now easily (relative to to USA) begin banning whatever he deems fit even though everything the murderer did was already illegal!

I'm on YOUR side here and believe you guys should have the God given right to defend yourselves with whatever you deem fit. Not with whatever the government allows. Think about it, God forbid another incident like this happens and it's apparent he/she uses a handgun or a shotgun, what do you think Trudeau will do next?
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I saw photos of the car he was driving and it looked fairly new, but I'm not sure if that's his original car or the one he stole from the cop he murdered.

Kind of scary to see how detailed and thorough this psycho was just to go around murdering innocent people.
The RCMP turn their cars over at 120,000 KM generally (about 70,000 miles), and they are usually in decent shape when they go to auction.....lots of people buy used police cars, usually taxi companies. I wouldn't buy one from a municipal police service as they get the shit kicked out of them but rural policing done from smaller detachments tend to take pretty good care of their cars.
That makes sense. This level of thorough planning is understandable if you're trying to rob a bank, but for random killings it's extremely twisted. Especially shooting two innocent parents right in front of their kids then shooting a LEO then dragging her out and executing her on the ground while she's dying. I believe this scum bag deserved extreme levels of torture before dying.
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Yes I am aware, but that won't be for long since it's not part of the constitution (as far as I know) so Trudeau will now easily (relative to to USA) begin banning whatever he deems fit even though everything the murderer did was already illegal!

I'm on YOUR side here and believe you guys should have the God given right to defend yourselves with whatever you deem fit. Not with whatever the government allows. Think about it, God forbid another incident like this happens and it's apparent he/she uses a handgun or a shotgun, what do you think Trudeau will do next?
If Trudeau had his way the only one in the country that would have any guns are the Mounties on his security detail. And he wouldn't stop there. He hasn't done a very good job of disguising his desire to turn Canada into a Socialist paradise, limiting our free speech is already on his radar.
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That makes sense. This level of thorough planning is understandable if you're trying to rob a bank, but for random killings it's extremely twisted. Especially shooting two innocent parents right in front of their kids then shooting a LEO then dragging her out and executing her on the ground while she's dying. I believe this scum bag deserved extreme levels of torture before dying.
So what's been coming out about this guy is that he had an obsession with the police. His high school year book made reference to a carrier with the RCMP. It is reported that he had a "shrine" to the RCMP in his basement, and had been collecting RCMP memorabilia for decades. One of his hobbies was buying retired police cars and then refurbishing them. I think I read he currently had two in his collection. I will speculate here for a moment.....he was a successful and apparently fairly well regarded member of the community and it is possible that he made friends or aquaintance with local members of the RCMP and may have managed to get old uniforms or car decals from them....again just my speculation based on my career.

So it might not be so black and white that he'd planned the whole dress up like a cop for and go on a killing spree for his whole life or if it is some kind of evolution or something that he snapped and went off the rails. It sounds like his first victim were his ex and her new husband/partner.
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That makes sense. This level of thorough planning is understandable if you're trying to rob a bank, but for random killings it's extremely twisted. Especially shooting two innocent parents right in front of their kids then shooting a LEO then dragging her out and executing her on the ground while she's dying. I believe this scum bag deserved extreme levels of torture before dying.
Very much agreed - I do wish these types of people could be punished according to what they did, but I suppose on the bright side, he isn't getting out on parole in 20 years or less which is undoubtedly what would have happened up here had he lived. Small silver lining.
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