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      11-25-2018, 10:47 AM   #1
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Climate report warns of grim economic consequences

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cli...isasters-in-us

Released by Trump administration. Pretty funny how it was purposely done on black Friday to try and keep it out of the spot light.
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Bah, fake news. It’s all part of the cycle, and we should consume at the exponentially climbing rate that we are consuming at as it is completely sustainable.
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Cant we harness all the natural disaster energy to power america? Could probably power lot of homes with the tears and fits the left have?
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I would argue that the economic consequences of some anti carbon fuel initiatives would be far worse.
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I would argue that the economic consequences of some anti carbon fuel initiatives would be far worse.
Yeah, who cares about the death of the the planet as long as the US GDP is good.
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      11-26-2018, 09:08 AM   #6
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Everyone? Cant shoot yourself in the foot to solve the problem. Can America stop India, China or any other polluter? Should we hand over the keys to the store so we can feel all warm inside?
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Yeah, who cares about the death of the the planet as long as the US GDP is good.
This is total hyperbole and a useless post.

There is plenty of argument to be made that any climate change currently going on is not the result of anything mankind has done, or if man has a hand in it, it is by a statistically immaterial amount.

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Everyone? Cant shoot yourself in the foot to solve the problem. Can America stop India, China or any other polluter? Should we hand over the keys to the store so we can feel all warm inside?
^This. Even if the science is eventually totally proven to be accurate and mankind is causing climate change to the earth, until one is able to get India and China to actively make a difference, than there is no reason for anyone else to decimate their own economies for what will amount to a useless result.
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      11-26-2018, 09:45 AM   #8
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This is total hyperbole and a useless post.

There is plenty of argument to be made that any climate change currently going on is not the result of anything mankind has done, or if man has a hand in it, it is by a statistically immaterial amount.
Says who?

Per NASA...97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities.
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And would ice age be better? One person lighting a fire has some effect. I agree we have had an effect, how much? Still can be of no consequence.
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Says who?

Per NASA...97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities.
As compared to what?

Even NASA states below:

The average global temperature on Earth has increased by about 0.8° Celsius since 1880. Why pick 1880?

If compared to 1780, or 1680, or 1580, it is shown that global temperature have DECREASED.

Also - in the very next paragraph, NASA states:

These increases contain an uncertainty of several tenths of a degree.

What is several tenths? 3 tenths? 8 tenths? If it is 8 tenths, then that completely wipes out the .8 increase. So what NASA says is that there IS NO STATISTICAL CHANGE IN GLOBAL TEMPS.



https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/wo...ge/DecadalTemp
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      11-26-2018, 10:13 AM   #11
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As compared to what?

Even NASA states below:

The average global temperature on Earth has increased by about 0.8° Celsius since 1880. Why pick 1880?

If compared to 1780, or 1680, or 1580, it is shown that global temperature have DECREASED.

Also - in the very next paragraph, NASA states:

These increases contain an uncertainty of several tenths of a degree.

What is several tenths? 3 tenths? 8 tenths? If it is 8 tenths, then that completely wipes out the .8 increase. So what NASA says is that there IS NO STATISTICAL CHANGE IN GLOBAL TEMPS.



https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/wo...ge/DecadalTemp
I can't believe we are arguing as to weather man has had a hand in climate change...are you going to try and convince me the earth is flat next?

From the link you posted some of your points are answered.

"Global temperature records start around 1880 because observations did not sufficiently cover enough of the planet prior to that time."

"A one-degree global change is significant because it takes a vast amount of heat to warm all the oceans, atmosphere, and land by that much. In the past, a one- to two-degree drop was all it took to plunge the Earth into the Little Ice Age."

Now if you'll excuse me. I have to go and rake the forest.

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I can't believe we are arguing as to weather man has had a hand in climate change...are you going to try and convince me the earth is flat next?

From the link you posted some of your points are answered.

"Global temperature records start around 1880 because observations did not sufficiently cover enough of the planet prior to that time."

"A one-degree global change is significant because it takes a vast amount of heat to warm all the oceans, atmosphere, and land by that much. In the past, a one- to two-degree drop was all it took to plunge the Earth into the Little Ice Age."

Now if you'll excuse me. I have to go and rake the forest.

1) NASA states that in their own research, the statistical variance is the same as the estimated increase in global temps. As such, as reported by fu***ng NASA, their own research shows that there has been a ZERO DEGREE increase in global temps, when adjusted for statistical variance. I don't know how it can be clearer than that. Even NASA says that there has been no increase in temps.

2) I am not saying that humans have not caused an increase in global temps, I am saying that there is no evidence of that - at this time. Science is generally in agreement that a theory is that mankind may have caused an increase in global warming, but at this time - there is no evidence yet to prove it.

This is all I am saying - that the jury is still out. There may be a rational argument that mankind has some blame - there may not be. But until this is proven and until the primary causes, if proven, which are China and India take drastic action, why should we decimate our own economies?
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If you think we “humans” have not had a impact affecting the climate change globally you are sticking your head in the sand.
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Everyone who believes that global warming is an actual problem should head over to China and India. Until something is done about those engines of pollution, the discussion has ZERO credibility.
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      11-26-2018, 10:39 AM   #16
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1) NASA states that in their own research, the statistical variance is the same as the estimated increase in global temps. As such, as reported by fu***ng NASA, their own research shows that there has been a ZERO DEGREE increase in global temps, when adjusted for statistical variance. I don't know how it can be clearer than that. Even NASA says that there has been no increase in temps.
I don't know which NASA you are getting your information from.
https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs...l-temperature/

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2) I am not saying that humans have not caused an increase in global temps, I am saying that there is no evidence of that - at this time. Science is generally in agreement that a theory is that mankind may have caused an increase in global warming, but at this time - there is no evidence yet to prove it.
The evidence is in the rate at which the changes are happening.

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This is all I am saying - that the jury is still out. There may be a rational argument that mankind has some blame - there may not be. But until this is proven and until the primary causes, if proven, which are China and India take drastic action, why should we decimate our own economies?
I agree that China and India need to take action but to say why should we do anything if they don't is silly argument. The US should be leading the world on the initiative to reduce emissions.
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If you think we “humans” have not had a impact affecting the climate change globally you are sticking your head in the sand.
Data can be your friend but only if you decide to let him in!

There is human impact but the impact is not as large as the alarmists would have you think nor is the data actually settled because anyone that believes that roughly 160 years of data out of a possible dataset of 4,500,000,000 years of data is relevant clearly knows nothing about how math actually works.
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I agree that China and India need to take action but to say why should we do anything if they don't is silly argument. The US should be leading the world on the initiative to reduce emissions.
Per the data I presented, we already are.
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I don't know which NASA you are getting your information from.
https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs...l-temperature/



The evidence is in the rate at which the changes are happening.



I agree that China and India need to take action but to say why should we do anything if they don't is silly argument. The US should be leading the world on the initiative to reduce emissions.


This is a useless argument since neither of us is going to change the mind of the other.

I'm done.
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Per the data I presented, we already are.
Cheers, my friend-MK
The charts you posted are regarding air and plastic pollution...not Co2 emissions.

The US is the second largest emitter of Co2 next to China.
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Per the data I presented, we already are.
Cheers, my friend-MK
The charts you posted are regarding air and plastic pollution...not Co2 emissions.

The US is the second largest emitter of Co2 next to China.
William Nordhaus Economist won the Nobel this year on his work over carbon taxes. Even his models suggest an optimum amount of warming in the range of 3 degree Celsius.

https://www.nber.org/papers/w22933.pdf
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I prefer Tropical to mini Ice-Age, myself.

For 30+ years I've been living/working on the coast. Mean high tide is still right there, where it's always been.
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