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      05-28-2019, 04:21 PM   #1
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Thumbs up Alpine A110

not fan of French cars at all but i guess this car is one of the best things happened recently in car industry.. 1110kg /2400lbs is a great start with stunning chassis.. has 14 months waiting period since it takes 10 days to build one.. for now..

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Making sportscars light again is a very good thing!
A lot of manufacturers can take an example of that, including BMW
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Making sportscars light again is a very good thing!
A lot of manufacturers can take an example of that, including BMW
But BMW has never really been that light compared to their competition. It would be cool if they started. And they do have their own carbon production facility. So they could. But I'd be surprised if BMW made a truly light car.
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Says he's not a fan of French cars, makes fan-post about French car. It's a nice car.
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Making sportscars light again is a very good thing!
A lot of manufacturers can take an example of that, including BMW
sell to whom? I'm sure BMW can make bare bone car, that weight less but that's not BMW customer
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sell to whom? I'm sure BMW can make bare bone car, that weight less but that's not BMW customer
Z4 e85 3.0i (manual, NA): 1265kg
z4 e89 3.0i (manual, NA): 1390kg
Z4 e89 35i (manual, FI): 1480kg

Just going back a few years within the same car niche will result in MASSIVE weight loss (mind you, saving 135kg or 215kg is a huge saving and can transform a car.)

Needless to say the e85 also sold the best, and got the reviews that it was a proper sportscar and not some boulevard cruiser....
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      05-31-2019, 04:08 PM   #8
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going back in time isn't really a quantifier though? Almost across the board every single manufacture is lighter back in the days
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going back in time isn't really a quantifier though? Almost across the board every single manufacture is lighter back in the days
Ok then, lets take some competitors in the same niche:

Porsche boxster:
986 manual: 1275kg
987 manual: 1305kg
718 manual: 1310kg

Why does porsche only need 35kg extra over that 20 year timespan and needs bmw 135kg or 215kg extra?

Lets take another competitor

Miata:
NB: 1065kg
NC: 1110kg
ND: 1058kg
(these are curb weights, exact models may vary a bit but not much)
Mazda also didnt need to raise the weight by 135kg or 215kg.

So no, its not almost every single manufacturer.
I'm sure bmw isnt alone in this, but competing cars (the boxster is probably the z4's main competitor) dont always need this massive weight increase.
BMW failed on this point, and every single review underscribes that.
You can perfectly go back in time for a comparison. Saying that you cant is a really easy (but not substantive) argument.
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