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      01-31-2020, 02:09 PM   #45
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I'd buy one in a second. I know the CTR, and even the Civic Si are better than my GTI, but my god they're ugly, inside and out, and way too big, F30 sized. If MINI still made fun cars that weren't $50k, they'd be in this conversation, but the F56 is a turd.
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      01-31-2020, 04:11 PM   #46
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...and even the Civic Si are better than my GTI, but my god they're ugly, inside and out, and way too big, F30 sized.
Yeah - Honda doesn't sell a compact car except the fit which, while an engineering marvel, is not a sophisticated or peppy machine and there is it's only 1 style, 1 engine. The closest to that is the HRV which doesn't nearly have the improvements over the fit that the CRV has over the civic. (power, NVH, etc.)
That honda E, though, is perfection...right size, right looks, wrong country for sale.

If only BMW made a 250hp ish RWD or AWD 2 door compact car....

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...and even the Civic Si are better than my GTI, but my god they're ugly, inside and out, and way too big, F30 sized.
Yeah - Honda doesn't sell a compact car except the fit which, while an engineering marvel, is not a sophisticated or peppy machine and there is it's only 1 style, 1 engine. The closest to that is the HRV which doesn't nearly have the improvements over the fit that the CRV has over the civic. (power, NVH, etc.)
That honda E, though, is perfection...right size, right looks, wrong country for sale.

If only BMW made a 250hp ish RWD or AWD 2 door compact car....

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Do they? I mean a 230i is close, but 3,400 pounds for a stripper is just sad. I honestly haven't considered a BMW for myself since the Z4 M Coupe went out of production.
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I mean a 230i is close, but 3,400 pounds for a stripper is just sad.
Well, I don't focus so much on the numbers on the scale, more of the whole package really.
What are we talking about again?
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I mean a 230i is close, but 3,400 pounds for a stripper is just sad.
Well, I don't focus so much on the numbers on the scale, more of the whole package really.
What are we talking about again?
Nothing a bigger grill won't fix.
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It's not great looking, but it's also not a civic. Kind of a hybrid GTI, civic. I like it better than most every other Toyota previously. I always hated Toyota design, especially the interiors. I think they have drastically improved. Actually most all manufactures seem to have improved interior quality IMO.
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