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      02-05-2020, 07:59 AM   #45
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I could go on and on. For one the 911 is designed from the ground up as a sports car. The M3 starts as a f30 320d and they mod it up from there. The M engineers have to start their work with a compromise.

The engine is behind you. Sorry but front engine cars are nowhere near as balanced as mid or rear engine cars. Look at the top 'ring times... the viper is the fastest front engine car and ranks #10.

911s hold value better. they make leases difficult on purpose as to not dilute the brand like BMW does with the M cars. They know exactly what they're doing when it comes to supply and demand to make sure their customers don't get taken to the cleaners when it comes time to sell, especially with GT3 models. Meanwhile you can get crazy good deals on year old M3CS cars sitting on lots.

When the 991 gt3 was having engine issues. They not only recalled all the cars, but slapped on a long ass warranty as well. Meanwhile BMW won't acknowledge crank hub issues.
Well said. Porsche has always been a "sports car" company. It's in their DNA, and yes now they make SUV's etc but that isn't what is in the heart and soul of the company. Very few companies are in this category, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Lotus, Porsche etc.

BMW, MB, Chev, Ford all make great sports cars but they aren't sports car companies. I think you either get it or you don't.
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      02-05-2020, 09:22 AM   #46
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^^^ absolutely to both of you. Thats why I have to always laugh at some (many) m fanbois and the regard for the brand as sacred, m3 most of all, as if they could compete with a 911. Cost is always the big issue....If not for bmw subsidizing with the crazy lease deals, most owners could not or would not purchase an M.....Ms are great fun, but they are a compromise for practicalities sake, while a 911 is a compromise for a sports cars sake.
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Been looking at 997 911s as a potential alternative to an e90 m3 (also looking at e60 m5s) but can’t seem to get over the fact that you get so much more engine for the $$ with the BMW m cars.

For those of you that own/owned/considered both, what made you tilt one way or the other?

Pcar probably better handling, but significantly down on power. Also from a pricing perspective, Porsche seems artificially high (but that’s been the case for about a decade now).
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The 2020 Porsche Taycan Turbo is the next evolution for electric vehicles and pushes EV performance past straight-line acceleration and party tricks into supercar realms. It’s a rival for the Tesla Model S in the sense that they’re both cars with four wheels—five if you count the steering wheel. Beyond those, the Taycan and Model S share fewer similarities than the surface of the sun and a grilled cheese sandwich.
Why are they calling it a "turbo" when it's electric? Genuine question..
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      02-05-2020, 10:02 AM   #48
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Why are they calling it a "turbo" when it's electric? Genuine question..
I was asking the same question when it came out, and I think Matt Farah talks about it in his video review.
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Why are they calling it a "turbo" when it's electric? Genuine question..
To stay in line with current naming schemes, where Turbo S is highest trim, Turbo is 2nd highest, and then 4s. I would expect a less expensive, MORE base trim, than the 4s that was RWD, but I think as of now the 4s is the base.

Also, the average buyer doesn't care that it's electric, with a Turbo badge. They care about the fact that Turbo means high trim.
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      02-05-2020, 10:34 AM   #50
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Yeah turbo doesn't mean anything these days, its more of a legacy for Porsche for the higher end model to be called turbo. You can get a base Carrera now, that is already turbo'd, and do a tune/downpipe and make as much power as the outgoing 911 Turbo. But you wouldn't call a Carrera S a 911 Turbo.

You could bring this up about the 'competition' branding that BMW does. Apparently some seat cut outs, louder exhaust, and heavier 20" wheels means your car is now 'competitive' all of a sudden.
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That all might be true, but since Porsche really started the Turbo thing with the 930 and knowing that the Germans are kind of a precise people I think it's going in the wrong direction calling an EV a turbo anything.
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^^ agreed.. it's annoying and kind of insulting. They're using "Turbo" in like a Disney or anime way like saying it's really fast. But what do I know, I'm sure a multi billion $ company doing as well as Porsche did the market research on their branding.

Never in automotive history has a car with a "turbo" badge left a factory that isn't turbocharged. If Tesla had labeled the model 3 performance a model 3 turbo they would have been ridiculed. Just because Porsche trim lines have always gone S, Turbo, Turbo S doesn't mean they needed to do it to an EV cuz it isn't turbocharged.
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Maybe it's a throwback to when computers had turbo buttons?
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Yeah the whole turbo thing is annoying. All non GT 911s are turbos now, but not all are Turbos (with a capital T).
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Yeah the whole turbo thing is annoying. All non GT 911s are turbos now, but not all are Turbos (with a capital T).
All 911's now actually are 3.0L flat 6 TT. They do however make a 911 Carrera T... Which is still twin turbo, but just lighter (which is signified by the T), and not to be confused with the actual word Turbo... Makes sense right?
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^^ agreed.. it's annoying and kind of insulting. They're using "Turbo" in like a Disney or anime way like saying it's really fast. But what do I know, I'm sure a multi billion $ company doing as well as Porsche did the market research on their branding.

Never in automotive history has a car with a "turbo" badge left a factory that isn't turbocharged. If Tesla had labeled the model 3 performance a model 3 turbo they would have been ridiculed. Just because Porsche trim lines have always gone S, Turbo, Turbo S doesn't mean they needed to do it to an EV cuz it isn't turbocharged.
They could come up with a EV specific line up, I'm sure the folks at Porsche Marketing could have thought of something that would have enough panache for the brand. I think the car is very interesting and as I've said earlier about the only EV that I have any interest in but I think they shit the bed on the name thing.
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All 911's now actually are 3.0L flat 6 TT. They do however make a 911 Carrera T... Which is still twin turbo, but just lighter (which is signified by the T), and not to be confused with the actual word Turbo... Makes sense right?
For now. There are no new GT cars in current production.
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For now. There are no new GT cars in current production.
Yeah, I see what you are saying now. I misread your other post lol. My bad.
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For now. There are no new GT cars in current production.
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We were specifically talking about 911s.
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While a Porsche Cayman or 911 seem down on power, engine placement makes up for it. And they way they handle and drive are just almost inexplicably better. Think about what has happened with the C8. The C7 has the same weight/HP ratio but the C8 is 3/4 sec faster to 60 and almost a second quicker through the 1/4 mile. Engine placement changed the dynamic.

As for Porsche as a whole, I used to think they were expensive and they are, but you definitely get what you pay for and it sits in a perfect strata between the also rans and the exotics. It can be a very bespoke semi hand built vehicle that is ranked right up there with Toyota/Lexus from a quality perspective. So yes, I’m kind of a Porsche fanboy now.
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For now. There are no new GT cars in current production.
No too long away.

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While a Porsche Cayman or 911 seem down on power, engine placement makes up for it. And they way they handle and drive are just almost inexplicably better. Think about what has happened with the C8. The C7 has the same weight/HP ratio but the C8 is 3/4 sec faster to 60 and almost a second quicker through the 1/4 mile. Engine placement changed the dynamic.

As for Porsche as a whole, I used to think they were expensive and they are, but you definitely get what you pay for and it sits in a perfect strata between the also rans and the exotics. It can be a very bespoke semi hand built vehicle that is ranked right up there with Toyota/Lexus from a quality perspective. So yes, Iím kind of a Porsche fanboy now.

Don't disagree with you about engine placement and the traction advantages it brings but the C8's new DCT is a major factor to the acceleration improvement as well.
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I don't think porsche is as "down" on power as people think. Not that they are grossly under-reporting, but they are probably stating whp figures. Given how far some of these rev, they HAVE to be making good HP.
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Why are they calling it a "turbo" when it's electric? Genuine question..
Well I remember when computers had a "Turbo" button/mode...
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I say split the difference with an E82, whether it be a modded 135i or a 1M. I went from a Porsche 996 to a Cayman to a modded 135i, because I wanted a usable backseat, but all the rest of the BMWs were too big and heavy feeling. The 135i (n55)/1M is in the 3300 lb range and is about the same length as a Cayman. I actually prefer the driving position and interior of my 1er vs the 996 and 987, and maintenance is less expensive in the BMW.
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