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      07-06-2019, 05:10 AM   #1
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Carwow: Toyota Supra v BMW Z4 - DRAG RACE, ROLLING RACE & BRAKE TEST

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      07-06-2019, 05:35 AM   #2
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Oh dear, BMW defeated in most areas except a brake distance test.

The fake vents comment made me laugh...the Supra cannot talk!

Not great for BMW to get beaten on a joint project though. Hmmm.
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Interesting, I know they are essentially the same car but from my perspective they are two very different animals.
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Want to see the US spec Z4 M40i do this run. Thanks for the post.
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Want to see the US spec Z4 M40i do this run. Thanks for the post.
OMG yes of course, I totally forgot the spec is very different for US bound Z4. There will be quite a lot of comparisons out shortly I'm sure.
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Wow! Toyota built a better BMW.
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I feel like they should have swapped drivers for the rematch race. Are both cars running same rear tire sizes?? Either way the Supra seems to be BMWs only legit sports car at the moment.

It's gonna be Facing off against the M4 GT4 car next year in the GTWorld racing series. And with a 3.9 and 12.0 acceleration numbers it looks like it can hang.
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Wow... BMW really dropped the ball on this one. The Z4 is suppose to do 0-60 is 3.9 seconds.. So you're telling me a Supra is going to be faster than most/half of the M performance models from BMW? What a joke.
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      07-06-2019, 11:27 AM   #9
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They tested the Europe M40i. A repeat with the U.S. model would be interesting.
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      07-06-2019, 11:31 AM   #10
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Yep, interesting but largely irrelevant to us on this side of the pond. As per the dyno thread the NA M40i has more power than the Supra. 34hp difference at the rear wheels

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Wow... BMW really dropped the ball on this one. The Z4 is suppose to do 0-60 is 3.9 seconds.. So you're telling me a Supra is going to be faster than most/half of the M performance models from BMW? What a joke.
This was a test against the Z4 M40i Euro version. Where did they test the Supra against most/half of the M performance models from BMW?

This is really funny! All the Supra fans say that the Supra is a big miss for Toyota because the car is 90% BMW. Then the Supra "beats" the Z4 in a test and it is now a big miss for BMW
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This result makes perfect sense these are the same car under the skin....

In what car is the convertible version ever faster than the coupe???? The Supra should be faster!

More bracing for the open top adds weight
Top mechanism adds weight
Plus the bmw has more driver aid and safety tech which adds weight
Not to mention more sound proofing and other luxury touches

If the Supra wasn't faster that would not make sense
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What the heck I posted this video and now it's just merged?
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This result makes perfect sense these are the same car under the skin....

In what car is the convertible version ever faster than the coupe???? The Supra should be faster!

More bracing for the open top adds weight
Top mechanism adds weight
Plus the bmw has more driver aid and safety tech which adds weight
Not to mention more sound proofing and other luxury touches

If the Supra wasn't faster that would not make sense
The weight difference is really small....like 50 lbs. Clearly the supra is making more power than the euro z4....but not the one we get here.

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This result makes perfect sense these are the same car under the skin....

In what car is the convertible version ever faster than the coupe???? The Supra should be faster!

More bracing for the open top adds weight
Top mechanism adds weight
Plus the bmw has more driver aid and safety tech which adds weight
Not to mention more sound proofing and other luxury touches

If the Supra wasn't faster that would not make sense
They weigh about the same it's not the weight difference it's the power difference. This is a Euro spec Z4 that has less power than the US spec. That's why the Supra won.
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They weigh about the same it's not the weight difference it's the power difference. This is a Euro spec Z4 that has less power than the US spec. That's why the Supra won.
The car that was used in the test was also an EU spec Supra.
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They weigh about the same it's not the weight difference it's the power difference. This is a Euro spec Z4 that has less power than the US spec. That's why the Supra won.
The car that was used in the test was also an EU spec Supra.
There's no difference in Euro Spec Supra and US spec in terms of hp. 340hp for both. So they say. I bet it's much more than that.
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This result makes perfect sense these are the same car under the skin....

In what car is the convertible version ever faster than the coupe???? The Supra should be faster!

More bracing for the open top adds weight
Top mechanism adds weight
Plus the bmw has more driver aid and safety tech which adds weight
Not to mention more sound proofing and other luxury touches

If the Supra wasn't faster that would not make sense
They weigh about the same it's not the weight difference it's the power difference. This is a Euro spec Z4 that has less power than the US spec. That's why the Supra won.
The weight isn't as close as they pretended it was.... maybe in stripper form but loaded up m40i will be a lot heavier.... they didn't put both cars on a scale... this is a clickbait video after all...

I do enjoy the vids from an entertainment point of view

Bmw did not let Toyota tune b58 differently this has been confirmed by many insiders even though some media claim say they did
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Bmw did not let Toyota tune b58 differently this has been confirmed by many insiders even though some media claim say they did
If it’s not tuned differently, then why is Toyota recommending regular gas in the Supra?

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It is a different tune, but Toyota did not tune it. There are dozens of B58 tunes within BMW's fleet alone. The Supra just has another variant. But it's not a Toyota tune. It may have been based on Toyota specs for temperature, loads, fuel grade, etc, but that would be about the extent of it.
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According to the specs the z4 m40i weighs 3443 lbs and the supra weighs 3397 lbs. For whatever reason the supra doesnt seem to have a different hp rating between the euro and NA version like the z4 does. The supra has been dynoed at 339 rwhp and 427ft lbs. The NA Z4 has been dynoed on the same type of dyno at 373 rwhp and 425 ft lbs. Even if the weight difference was 100lbs, the Z4 is quicker based on those numbers. What I'd like to know is if the euro Supra has the gasoline particulate filter or not and what the real difference that filter makes....ive heard 6hp...
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There's no difference in Euro Spec Supra and US spec in terms of hp. 340hp for both. So they say. I bet it's much more than that.
“The European-specification M40i was fitted with an exhaust particulate filter that limits output to 335 horsepower, but cars in the United States don't need such a system, which means a mighty 382 ponies and an estimated 3.7-second zero-to-60-mph time.”
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