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Assuming these US numbers for Z4s sold are correct:
2021 2.367 2020 2.371 2019 2.941 And assuming the take rate for a manual is 25%, is BMW going to go to the trouble to add a manual just to sell 500 cars? My two cents says unlikely
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Yeah agree…. Unless…. it would steal share from Supra and Boxster and be additive? My guess is they would charge the same price and it’s less cost
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If the 8 speed automatic transmission is standard they might charge more for the MT knowing that there are people craving it and will pay extra.
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On the other hand, they co-developed with Toyota, and I assume in doing so they had certain stipulations - my guess is one or two of those explain why we don’t have 1) a manual option 2) m coupe. Probably never intended to from the start. Yet BMW creates numerous variants of the higher volume M3/4 and X’s while doing the bare minimum on the Z. It’s a missed opportunity with engineering passion pushed to the background for marketing and sales and finance priorities… All that being said, it’s a compromise and a very sweet one. I much prefer the Z to the Boxster or SL or Miata for the blend of price, ride quality, enjoyment, comfort, etc. I really hope they keep selling it through 2030+. |
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So it’ll probably come here also. We have a fairly good take rate of Manual cars. I recently spoke with my wallet on an individual M4 with manual. I’d love to add the Z in its last year of production.
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EOP is supposed to be 2025.
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This guy (mjposner) is a Negative Nelly who’s been saying there won’t be a manual Z4 for the past two years. (Check out his comments on an earlier thread.) I hope he’s wrong as much because I will be the first to buy a manual Z4 if it does come out as I want this arrogant tool to be proven wrong.
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The picture proves nothing, they already sell a manual Z4 in Europe, the i20, http://www.drive.com.au/reviews/2020...-manual-review. Could just be for that or not.
Good news is tat manual sales are up: www.theautopian.com/manual-gearbox-popularity Bad news is that the take rate is only 1.7% I am not a negative nelly, but a realistic ron. I also hope I am wrong. To help I'll make everyone this offer: I will create an escrow agreement for a $100 - $1,000? deposit, with all funds held in my law firm trust account as a downpayment on a manual transmission Z4 (s30i or m40i?). If we get at least XX (10? 50?) deposits, I will reach out to my contacts at BMW and BMWCCA and show them the demand. Time to put your money where your mouth is, especially AustinPowers007. Will hold for xx months, and if no manual, then the money gets refunded.
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It very clearly says B58 in Ynguldyn's screenshot. There's no B58 manual Z4 in Europe
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I'm a bit of a 'negative nancy' myself. everything looks promising based on the previous posts, but until there's a proper photograph or video of a stick in an actual Z4, I'm still a bit dubious.
Of course, if (when!) they do, while I'm not speculative of the value or classic status, I think the manual Z4 will definitely be a collectors item.
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